Is atheism a belief?

[Bucky Ball]

[bennyboy]

[Bucky Ball]

[bennyboy]

Oh really.
There seems to be enough interest for you to tell me how and what I'm thinking, and jump up and down and insist your wooo (mind) is true.  

Yeah, none of that ever happened. I didn't tell you what you think. . . I told you what I think you don't know-- which is on what level of organization mind supervenes. As for mind itself being woo-- well, good luck with that. But for a guy who doesn't believe mind is real, you sure have a lot to say about it, and a lot of emotional investment in talking about it.

You are so convinced you're just so superior. 
You do a very transparent job of always trying to deflect when your betters enlighten you about how ignorant you are about science. LOL.

I've never claimed to be superior to anyone. I might, in fact, be inferior, because my position is that I lack knowledge, and you claim to have it. Imagine my disappointment that you know how and why mind exists, and have not yet been able to explain it in terms that can be understood by my inferior little mind.

[The Grand Nudger]

I am mind and mind is me. 

This is an explicit invocation of belief in mind. By reference to this, you simply cannot be an a-mindist even if you describe yourself as such..which you did.. The same is true of god beliefs, but in reverse. You may not call yourself an atheist but you irreconcilably describe yourself as such.

[Bucky Ball]

Yeah, none of that ever happened.  I told you what you don't know-- which is on what level of organization mind supervenes.  As for mind itself being woo-- well, good luck with that.  But for a guy who doesn't believe mind is a thing, you sure have a lot to say about mind.

Yeah you told me what your unsupported meaningless opinion is about your woo mind, and then you said I shared it, and I knew it. That was a lie. 
You told me nothing. You tried to say there is a "mind". You have no evidence for that woo. 

So far, you haven't said anything about the science of mind that I can't find in a grade 8 science book; it doesn't reveal any understanding at all of why there is subjective experience rather than not.  If you think you are my "better," then surely you will be able to answer the question I can't-- what about the brain allows for subjective experience?

That's funny since you asked questions which demonstrate you didn't even know what was in a 6th Grade science book. 
You have no clue how brains work, how memory works, or what actually constitutes a subjective experience, or how they arise. 
I already told you how subjective experiences arise. It's actually very simple. If you knew ANYTHING about how brains work, it would be obvious. 
There is no 'science of mind". There is no such thing as "mind". It's an ancient out-dated term, and is meaningless, except for old philoso-babble types who aren't really atheists or agnostics, but need to hide their gods in a box so they can lie to themselves about what they really are.

[bennyboy]

Yeah you told me what your unsupported meaningless opinion is about your woo mind, and then you said I shared it, and I knew it.

I don't think that happened. Quote me doing that, please.

I already told you how subjective experiences arise. It's actually very simple.

That for sure never happened. What you did is wave toward the brain and mumble about evolutionary advantages. You seem to have trouble with the meaning of the word "how."

There is no 'science of mind".

Yes, there is. It's called "psychology."

There is no such thing as "mind".

Sure there is. It's the subjective experience of ideas and sensory information.

It's an ancient out-dated term, and is meaningless, except for old philoso-babble types who aren't really atheists or agnostics, but need to hide their gods in a box so they can lie to themselves about what they really are.

Hmmmmmm. . . if there's no mind, then the many thousands of psychologists, including neurologists, are really wasting their time. They should consult you as soon as possible!


Now, you keep ALL-CAPS-ing about how little I know about the brain. Would you like to put this to the test? I have a Psychology degree (B.A. only, I'm not bragging), a dictionary, an internet connection, and a pretty fair mind. I'm willing to pit those against whatever you think you can bring, any day of the week. Therefore, I hereby challenge you to a formal 1:1 debate: the winner-takes-all, soul-crushing deathmatch that you seem to want. The gauntlet has been thrown, and I look forward to mortal combat.

Bring it, big mouth. Let's see what you've really got!

[Bucky Ball]

Now, it may be that there IS some point at which there's nothing remotely like mind, but I don't know where that is. . . and neither do you

That was you doing what you then lied about.

That for sure never happened.  What you did is wave toward the brain and mumble about evolutionary advantages.  You seem to have trouble with the meaning of the word "how."

Actually I did. You just did not want to recognize what you were reading. I told you exactly how. It's right there. Go find it.

Sure there is.  It's the subjective experience of ideas and sensory information.

No. The study of how the human brain functions is FAR more inclusive than your pathetic limited little wrong definition.

Hmmmmmm. . . if there's no mind, then the many thousands of psychologists, including neurologists, are really wasting their time.  They should consult you as soon as possible!

No dear. They study brains and how they work. They don't write papers on "minds" these days. Maybe you could pray to your god-in-a-box, and he would enlighten you about science in the last 100 years.

Sorry patronizing asshole. I never do one on one debates, and with ancient people like you whose science degrees are LONG outdated, it would be a waste of time.
You didn't even know enough to know how the brain recognized or at what levels parallel lines were recognized, or the process that recognition takes.

[Shell B]

Dude, it's like Tourette's, but you're typing.  

Please don't say that. It's not remotely like Tourette's.

[bennyboy]