Purity Ball

[T0 Th3 M4X]

More like it's daddy dearest that's interested in the sexual behaviour of christian teenage girls, when it comes to purity balls...huh?  

Atheists, for our part...are commonly perplexed at the weird and creepy shit that christers get up to.

This. Why does dad get to become the one who decides his daughter's sexual life? That's just weird and gross.

And why don't boys have to go through the same thing?

Why are women objectified and are "valued" based on their "purity?"

And like I said before, is this REALLY her choice? Would her relationship with her family not be in jeopardy if she decided not to do this? What about her relationship with her peers?

Indoctrination and shaming are powerful tools.

It's the daughter making the decision.  It the father vowing to support and protect.  The ball is just their way of making it official.  Their choice, and I can't imagine it's hurting anybody in itself, so not sure why it's an issue for atheists.

[The Grand Nudger]

More like it's daddy dearest that's interested in the sexual behaviour of christian teenage girls, when it comes to purity balls...huh?  

Atheists, for our part...are commonly perplexed at the weird and creepy shit that christers get up to.

So what is weird about a girl wanting to be celibate. Given, it may not be the norm these days, but does that make it wrong?  What is wrong with their dad making a vow to protect their daughter?  Is it something to be offended by?  If so, why?  I'm sure having a ball isn't necessary, but I can also understand why it would be useful since it adds an extra value to that vow, because it is tied to a formal event.  Kinda like a dad declaring his son a "man" so he declares it during a ritual with his tribe.  It gives it a feeling of being made official.

That's nice, dear, but we're discussing purity balls.

Do you understand?

[Nakara]

This. Why does dad get to become the one who decides his daughter's sexual life? That's just weird and gross.

And why don't boys have to go through the same thing?

Why are women objectified and are "valued" based on their "purity?"

And like I said before, is this REALLY her choice? Would her relationship with her family not be in jeopardy if she decided not to do this? What about her relationship with her peers?

Indoctrination and shaming are powerful tools.

It's the daughter making the decision.  It the father vowing to support and protect.  The ball is just their way of making it official.  Their choice, and I can't imagine it's hurting anybody in itself, so not sure why it's an issue for atheists.

Mate, look through the video comments. There are CHRISTIANS expressing concerns over this. I even read a story about a woman who went through something similar with purity rings, and now she struggles with the guilt and has difficulty being comfortable with sex.

I even wonder if my asexually stems from how much my parents insisted on abstinence and waiting before marriage.

So don't tell me it isn't hurting anybody.

[T0 Th3 M4X]

It's the daughter making the decision.  It the father vowing to support and protect.  The ball is just their way of making it official.  Their choice, and I can't imagine it's hurting anybody in itself, so not sure why it's an issue for atheists.

Mate, look through the video comments. There are CHRISTIANS expressing concerns over this. I even read a story about a woman who went through something similar with purity rings, and now she struggles with the guilt and has difficulty being comfortable with sex.

I even wonder if my asexually stems from how much my parents insisted on abstinence and waiting before marriage.

So don't tell me it isn't hurting anybody.

So they can't make a decision for themselves because there are comments on a YT video?  Why do they need approval from others?  If they're not hurting anybody else, then no reason for anybody to get their undies in a bunch over it.

You wondering about your parents and how they treated you has nothing to do with them.  You had a choice to listen or not listen.  Lots of people listen and turn out fine.  Lots of people don't listen and turn out fine.  Why is your situation special?

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So what is weird about a girl wanting to be celibate. Given, it may not be the norm these days, but does that make it wrong?  What is wrong with their dad making a vow to protect their daughter?  Is it something to be offended by?  If so, why?  I'm sure having a ball isn't necessary, but I can also understand why it would be useful since it adds an extra value to that vow, because it is tied to a formal event.  Kinda like a dad declaring his son a "man" so he declares it during a ritual with his tribe.  It gives it a feeling of being made official.

That's nice, dear, but we're discussing purity balls.

Do you understand?

Did you see me hold up a sign telling you to stop talking about purity balls?   Do you understand?

[Nakara]

Mate, look through the video comments. There are CHRISTIANS expressing concerns over this. I even read a story about a woman who went through something similar with purity rings, and now she struggles with the guilt and has difficulty being comfortable with sex.

I even wonder if my asexually stems from how much my parents insisted on abstinence and waiting before marriage.

So don't tell me it isn't hurting anybody.

So they can't make a decision for themselves because there are comments on a YT video?  Why do they need approval from others?  If they're not hurting anybody else, then no reason for anybody to get their undies in a bunch over it.

You wondering about your parents and how they treated you has nothing to do with them.  You had a choice to listen or not listen.  Lots of people listen and turn out fine.  Lots of people don't listen and turn out fine.  Why is your situation special?

Nope, they don't need the approval of others, I was just trying to show you it's not just atheists (generalize much?) who were concerned over this. And the fact that you don't seem to be concerned about, or at least don't recognize, what this ceremony could implicate for this girl's future relationships is disturbing to say the least. Especially given how her "choice" may've been influenced.

As for my case, of course it's not special, I'm not alone. And of course the woman I mentioned isn't special, she's not alone.

And there is one thing I highly disagree with you on--children tend to trust and believe what their parents say. Children tend to be influenced by their parents' teachings. Children often don't have a choice as to who their parents are.

You can't exactly tune something out if you have nothing else to listen to.

[onlinebiker]

These drizzzle dicks sense of reality is in par with The Bretharians --- those goofy people who think they can get by without eating - and just taking deep breaths...



Yeah - sure.

Deny those normal human drives...

You damned well know that at some point they' re gonna break down - and you'll find them hiding in a corner, scarfing down on a big ol' bratwurst........



If ya know what I mean....

[T0 Th3 M4X]

So they can't make a decision for themselves because there are comments on a YT video?  Why do they need approval from others?  If they're not hurting anybody else, then no reason for anybody to get their undies in a bunch over it.

You wondering about your parents and how they treated you has nothing to do with them.  You had a choice to listen or not listen.  Lots of people listen and turn out fine.  Lots of people don't listen and turn out fine.  Why is your situation special?

Nope, they don't need the approval of others, I was just trying to show you it's not just atheists (generalize much?) who were concerned over this. And the fact that you don't seem to be concerned about, or at least don't recognize, what this ceremony could implicate for this girl's future relationships is disturbing to say the least. Especially given how her "choice" may've been influenced.

As for my case, of course it's not special, I'm not alone. And of course the woman I mentioned isn't special, she's not alone.

And there is one thing I highly disagree with you on--children tend to trust and believe what their parents say. Children tend to be influenced by their parents' teachings. Children often don't have a choice as to who their parents are.

You can't exactly tune something out if you have nothing else to listen to.

Who said it was just atheists?  How do you know it wasn't?  I didn't generalize. I asked why a single atheist felt the need to explore this.

What is it going to implicate for her future? How do you know?

Most choices are influenced.  Someone can be influenced by their friends to sleep around, and they could end up with a disease.  Would that be better?  If not, how do you qualify which influence is favorable or acceptable?  One girl in the video stated she caught an STD from sleeping around, which is why she changed her view.

Children can be influenced, and optimally they should be.  If the parenting is bad, it's unfortunate, but it does happen.  However, unless there is evidence that the parents are forcing her to go to the ball, then it's her choice.

Still wondering why an atheist is concerned with the sexual behavior or Christian teenage girls.  Actually it's more disturbing.

[FatAndFaithless]

Who said it was just atheists?  How do you know it wasn't?  I didn't generalize. I asked why a single atheist felt the need to explore this.

You literally have been saying atheists are so obsessed with the sex life of christian girls.

Just wondering why atheists are concerned about the sexual behavior of Christian teenage girls.

Atheists are overly focused on what everybody else is doing. ... I mean, what makes an atheist even go and search for information about Christian teenage girls and their views on sex? That's more concerning than the actual video.

Now can someone explain why atheists are concerned about Christian teenage girls and their decisions about having sexual relations.

You know we can see your old posts in this thread, right?

[T0 Th3 M4X]

Who said it was just atheists?  How do you know it wasn't?  I didn't generalize. I asked why a single atheist felt the need to explore this.

You literally have been saying atheists are so obsessed with the sex life of christian girls.

"Atheists" in the context of what we're discussing.  Not "all atheists."  The plural form of something can be two or more, but it doesn't necessarily mean "all."  I'm sure there are atheists that don't bother with it, nor would they.

It's an odd thing.  Do you consider it normal behavior for a man to look for information about the sexual decisions/beliefs of teenage girls within a demographic they don't belong to, with the exception of a professional or academic organization that concerns itself with the said demographic?

[The Grand Nudger]

You're still discussing purity balls, Max..which is still an issue of daddy dearest being very much interested in what his daughters vj is up to, not "atheists".

Do you consider it normal behavior to troll every single thread that you're in at once?