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#31
RE: damned
(January 2, 2019 at 10:17 am)Drich Wrote:
(January 1, 2019 at 11:21 am)Jörmungandr Wrote: Great, Drich, someone comes to you telling you they're anxious and depressed, and your response is to call them a failure.  And you wonder why people think you are an insensitive ass who knows nothing about human nature.

Sorry I deal with the truth. I am extending the same "fix" i wanted to see and hear when I was in this person's spot. what I got were probably all the platitudes you guys expect and want to hear. Which to me is garbage. As at best may make you feel better for the moment but in the end you are where you where when you first sought help. I am bringing direction and opportunity to find what they seek. if this person wants the truth she/he already knows they failed. (hence the predetermination of going to hell despite what the bible teaches.) So go on this predetermined self diagnosed failure, I purposed a fixable alternative as apposed to eternal hell fire they have prescribed for themselves!! I am providing a way out, to the God they know to be there. 

I can't express how frustrating it is to know God in there but remains silent. Most people in this situation assume or always seem to offer up their salvation as to the reason why God is silent. But as Jesus Himself taught this is not the reason. The parable of the wise and foolish builder gives us the reason why this person and most of you hit a wall of silence when you were desperate and reached out to nothing. God is sending a trial/wind and rain to test your faith and your understanding of Him. Cry out to your god and see if he answers... if not then it should be obvious the god you have pictured in your mind is not the God of the bible. Pride is what makes some stay in the church but sit in silence pride in their religion and the assumption that they found god by being born into the right religion. Again salvation not with standing as many are saved through Christ despite themselves and their religious choices! This same pride also tells the honest others that they cried out to whom they thought were god and left the church because they too assumed that their first or second religious attempt yielded nothing but silence.

I also separated the idea of salvation and relationship in that most of you could technically be saved and yet have no relationship with God(the gift of be able to reach out and he reach back to you.) Whether this person knows it or not this is what they want. not just salvation.

I'll simply repeat what you've already acknowledged. You aren't an authority, and so what you think is truth is nothing more than your opinion. That you think you're like God is no secret, it's just pathetic. This person has needs which aren't served by what you consider to be truth, which again, is just what you believe and is nothing more than your opinion. Apparently you think that what you believe and what you value, namely your opinion, is more important than what they need and value. That's nothing more than rank narcissism. You only care about yourself, even if doing so might hurt other people. But then, we already knew that.
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#32
RE: damned
(January 2, 2019 at 5:23 am)LastPoet Wrote: Yeah, that user made the same post at Christian Forums: https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.christi...8/%3famp=1

Just covering all the bases, I guess.
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#33
RE: damned
(January 2, 2019 at 10:37 am)Thoreauvian Wrote:
(January 2, 2019 at 5:23 am)LastPoet Wrote: Yeah, that user made the same post at Christian Forums: https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.christi...8/%3famp=1

Just covering all the bases, I guess.

I find it puzzling (but hopeful) that a Christian would come to an atheist website seeking emotional advice and support. Just for myself, when I'm in the dumps, the LAST people I want to talk to are Christians.

Boru
‘But it does me no injury for my neighbour to say there are twenty gods or no gods. It neither picks my pocket nor breaks my leg.’ - Thomas Jefferson
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#34
RE: damned
(January 2, 2019 at 10:25 am)Jörmungandr Wrote:
(January 2, 2019 at 10:17 am)Drich Wrote: Sorry I deal with the truth. I am extending the same "fix" i wanted to see and hear when I was in this person's spot. what I got were probably all the platitudes you guys expect and want to hear. Which to me is garbage. As at best may make you feel better for the moment but in the end you are where you where when you first sought help. I am bringing direction and opportunity to find what they seek. if this person wants the truth she/he already knows they failed. (hence the predetermination of going to hell despite what the bible teaches.) So go on this predetermined self diagnosed failure, I purposed a fixable alternative as apposed to eternal hell fire they have prescribed for themselves!! I am providing a way out, to the God they know to be there. 

I can't express how frustrating it is to know God in there but remains silent. Most people in this situation assume or always seem to offer up their salvation as to the reason why God is silent. But as Jesus Himself taught this is not the reason. The parable of the wise and foolish builder gives us the reason why this person and most of you hit a wall of silence when you were desperate and reached out to nothing. God is sending a trial/wind and rain to test your faith and your understanding of Him. Cry out to your god and see if he answers... if not then it should be obvious the god you have pictured in your mind is not the God of the bible. Pride is what makes some stay in the church but sit in silence pride in their religion and the assumption that they found god by being born into the right religion. Again salvation not with standing as many are saved through Christ despite themselves and their religious choices! This same pride also tells the honest others that they cried out to whom they thought were god and left the church because they too assumed that their first or second religious attempt yielded nothing but silence.

I also separated the idea of salvation and relationship in that most of you could technically be saved and yet have no relationship with God(the gift of be able to reach out and he reach back to you.) Whether this person knows it or not this is what they want. not just salvation.

I'll simply repeat what you've already acknowledged.  You aren't an authority, and so what you think is truth is nothing more than your opinion.  That you think you're like God is no secret, it's just pathetic.  This person has needs which aren't served by what you consider to be truth, which again, is just what you believe and is nothing more than your opinion.  Apparently you think that what you believe and what you value, namely your opinion, is more important than what they need and value.   That's nothing more than rank narcissism.  You only care about yourself, even if doing so might hurt other people.  But then, we already knew that.

Maybe you don't understand how a messenger works..

They themselves have no authority outside of what is imparted to them in so far as what it takes to deliver a message.

Yes it is true I myself have no authority. that said the message I bring is not one of opinion. as I pointed out in the original message what I had to say was based on the teaching Christ Himself made known in the parable of the wise and foolish builder. Which speaks EXACTLY to this person's situation. Which in turn mirrored my own situation right after I got married and found out my wife had a very serious drug addiction. I went to the church for help and they gave me the typical blessed behold faith and pray nonsense, that makes you feel better for a moment but in the end leaves you there with the same problem. then turned to what I thought was God and got nothing but silence. by then I had experienced Hell and my angel and knew he was there but was frustrated with the silence.. then I learned to question and rest everything not according to what religion taught but according to the bible. Then I found God then I found direction in everything. almost silently at first then through the messages I heard on the radio and on that radio archive link I left, to literally vision like experiences when putting together my patented inventions (I was sitting in a meeting between 2 very powerful engineering firms and both where telling me the problems they had with coming up with an interface that would combine the two technologies. they had 6 guys working on this project for 6 months and where no better off. in the meeting I got a 'vision' of the system they needed, so While they were still describing the issue I asked for a pencil and paper and started electrically drawing out a schematic with all the components needed their ratings and limitations (30 to 35 components total running 2 different control DC voltages a supply voltage of 48VDC and a working voltage of 230 AC 50 amp AC. plus inversion and charging ability while system was running and met all their power requirements for a run time of 4 hours.) And before the engineers could finish their side I slide this drawing to the lead guy and asked is this what you are looking for? he is 2 guys looked at it over lunch and said this was idea but would never work and gave me 10 reasons why. I said it would and what more could have a working prototype over the weekend using surplus components from a Air Force surplus store we have in the area. They the owner piped up and ask how much would this cost? I said 3 or 4 hundred, he call down to accounting and had them pull 500 out of petty cash and said I'll buy the pizza if this works come monday... I ran out of there in a hurry across town to this surplus store bought 200 worth of components and put this thing together. come monday show up at the meeting and plugged the system in for the first time to see if it would run and charge and it did switched it over to battery operation for the first time and it work and ran for the prescribed 4 hours... then the meeting happened and everyone was beyond 'happy' then another 'vision hit me' on how to triple efficiency by tuning both the power supply side and the equipment running side. I told them I could do this and have it in a day again both side (6 engineers said not possible) and had it the next day which ran 12 hours..

Again not an authority not a real engineer but a messenger who took the message he was given and applied it to the situation I was put in. I took those two ideas patented them myself which is again not a thing anymore, but through legal zoom and sheer will got the paperwork I needed to sell these ideas to the company who owns them now, which changed my life my business and how I live all around. All while just taking what God has given me and learning to trust and apply it. I have equally astonishing spiritual examples of trusting my visions as well but I went with the electrical stuff because it is something I can more easily show or discuss with...
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#35
RE: damned
(January 2, 2019 at 11:19 am)Drich Wrote:
(January 2, 2019 at 10:25 am)Jörmungandr Wrote: I'll simply repeat what you've already acknowledged.  You aren't an authority, and so what you think is truth is nothing more than your opinion.  That you think you're like God is no secret, it's just pathetic.  This person has needs which aren't served by what you consider to be truth, which again, is just what you believe and is nothing more than your opinion.  Apparently you think that what you believe and what you value, namely your opinion, is more important than what they need and value.   That's nothing more than rank narcissism.  You only care about yourself, even if doing so might hurt other people.  But then, we already knew that.

Maybe you don't understand how a messenger works..

They themselves have no authority outside of what is imparted to them in so far as what it takes to deliver a message.

Yes it is true I myself have no authority. that said the message I bring is not one of opinion.

It remains your opinion, regardless of what you base it on. That you don't understand that basic fact is a big part of the problem. And the reason you don't is because you're a fucking moron, in addition to being a flaming narcissist.
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#36
RE: damned
(January 2, 2019 at 11:31 am)Jörmungandr Wrote:
(January 2, 2019 at 11:19 am)Drich Wrote: Maybe you don't understand how a messenger works..

They themselves have no authority outside of what is imparted to them in so far as what it takes to deliver a message.

Yes it is true I myself have no authority. that said the message I bring is not one of opinion.

It remains your opinion, regardless of what you base it on.  That you don't understand that basic fact is a big part of the problem.  And the reason you don't is because you're a fucking moron, in addition to being a flaming narcissist.

I do not understand what you are identifying as an opinion?

The oP SELF DIAGNOSED that she is going to Hell because God did not respond the way she expected.

I identified a parable JESUS taught that Spoke to the reason God remains silent even to the 'saved.'

Which means 'the loss of salvation' or the self diagnostic of loss of salvation is not certain. which should be a relief and inspire hope if the OP can place a line between salvation and personal relationship with God as the bible and Christ Himself points out..

How or why is it narcissism when showing someone what they are lacking if and when they ask? How is it narcissistic to give God the credit for the things He has done for me? besides the OP asking in an open forum of atheist mind you, for an evaluation of her spiritual condition, How is it socially wrong or narcissistic for me, in your world view, to offer such an evaluation, but your unsolicited evaluation of me is socially correct?

double standard much?
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#37
RE: damned
(January 2, 2019 at 12:05 pm)Drich Wrote:
(January 2, 2019 at 11:31 am)Jörmungandr Wrote: It remains your opinion, regardless of what you base it on.  That you don't understand that basic fact is a big part of the problem.  And the reason you don't is because you're a fucking moron, in addition to being a flaming narcissist.

I do not understand what you are identifying as an opinion?

The oP SELF DIAGNOSED that she is going to Hell because God did not respond the way she expected.

I identified a parable JESUS taught that Spoke to the reason God remains silent even to the 'saved.'

Which means 'the loss of salvation' or the self diagnostic of loss of salvation is not certain. which should be a relief and inspire hope if the OP can place a line between salvation and personal relationship with God as the bible and Christ Himself points out..

How or why is it narcissism when showing someone what they are lacking if and when they ask? How is it narcissistic to give God the credit for the things He has done for me? besides the OP asking in an open forum of atheist mind you, for an evaluation of her spiritual condition, How is it socially wrong or narcissistic for me, in your world view, to offer such an evaluation, but your unsolicited evaluation of me is socially correct?

double standard much?

I did not criticize you simply for giving your opinion. I criticized you for the content of your opinion, your insensitivity and prioritization of your needs over those of the OP, and for having the gall to justify doing so by claiming that your opinion was not only not just your opinion, but God's truth. So quit straw manning and lying about what I said. And I didn't say that it was narcissistic of you to give your opinion, so your claim that I was guilty of a double standard is, as are many of your claims, simply wrong.
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#38
RE: damned
(January 2, 2019 at 12:38 pm)Jörmungandr Wrote:
(January 2, 2019 at 12:05 pm)Drich Wrote: I do not understand what you are identifying as an opinion?

The oP SELF DIAGNOSED that she is going to Hell because God did not respond the way she expected.

I identified a parable JESUS taught that Spoke to the reason God remains silent even to the 'saved.'

Which means 'the loss of salvation' or the self diagnostic of loss of salvation is not certain. which should be a relief and inspire hope if the OP can place a line between salvation and personal relationship with God as the bible and Christ Himself points out..

How or why is it narcissism when showing someone what they are lacking if and when they ask? How is it narcissistic to give God the credit for the things He has done for me? besides the OP asking in an open forum of atheist mind you, for an evaluation of her spiritual condition, How is it socially wrong or narcissistic for me, in your world view, to offer such an evaluation, but your unsolicited evaluation of me is socially correct?

double standard much?

I did not criticize you simply for giving your opinion.  I criticized you for the content of your opinion, your insensitivity and prioritization of your needs over those of the OP, and for having the gall to justify doing so by claiming that your opinion was not only not just your opinion, but God's truth.  So quit straw manning and lying about what I said.  And I didn't say that it was narcissistic of you to give your opinion, so your claim that I was guilty of a double standard is, as are many of your claims, simply wrong.
Hmm, so it wasn't the content but how the information was framed?

have you read any of the other responses? Seriously, did you miss their messages, did you miss how the 18 post before me framed their responses???!?! 

1 Mocks prayer
2 brief smilie Well wishing
3 God is false problem solved
4 heart felt plea for sanity check
5 No god no problem
6 again no god no problem
7 leave god
8 emotionless clinical plea for sanity check
9 Called the OP a troll
10 Then your efforts which I would identify a heart felt plea for sanity check
11 Ship of fools comment and direction for sanity check
12 typical sincere christian personal invitation
13 religion is crazy
14 GC's evalution of two different posts.
15 demand for the OP to find help
16 the bible is BS
17 "you bible and all you believe is fake"
18 seek help from your own kind.

Then post 19 was mine. I am the only one who took the tie to address every single point she made about her beliefs her husband her assumption that she was hell bound/unsaved for her marriage and resolved everything with in a biblical frame work she should be obliged to believe in...

Even after framing every single word and piece of advise to fit a line by line answer to hr specific question.. I am the narcissist? mind you I did not evaluate her and judge her mentally broken or disabled because her view doses not fit my world view which even if you said it nicely is still the bottom line of your post.Who are any of you to judge someone mentally unfit by the use of comparison of your own life? which again is the majority/collective response here.

Look, I admit I did not take time to wrap up my answer in a neat little easy to swallow package. If this person wants that kind of verbal fondling then CF.com will fill her up with the coddling she is looking for. I went there after My church failed my wife and I and I got 30+ pages of "we will pray for you and beloved this and beloved that and all it amounted to nothing in the end but a series of well wishers. 

I am not here for people like that. I am here for the one who has hit bottom and demands to know the truth of the bible and God. Someone who seeks not the religious fluff and baby talk but someone who is interested in truth and the bottom line. Which is why I corrected her theology and gave her peace and direction concerning salvation and personal relationship. I spoke to her bout her marriage and showed her that it was indeed God's plan for us who burn with passion for one or the other to be married. that only demons forbade marriage, and that God would not give you a command not already established in scripture or would countermand scripture. Which would demand she take responsibility for leaving the marriage and not put it on her God.

If she is indeed one who God has shown himself to, there is no other way for her to live. She will have to reconcile her broken theology with how God chooses to live and work with us. This is something we can do but we must be willing to change our theological notions when they do not align with the bible scripturally. Otherwise we will be lost to God in such a way far worse than someone who never knew or experienced what she had.

In short I am here for those who have fallen through the typical cracks of the church/religion net. If the OP were a typical believer then she will find what she needs in a CF.com. The only one of two reasons to come here is to shop on an exit strategy on how to leave the church or seek out help from a non traditional church affiliated source. someone who has to drop the fluff of the word and sharpen it into a fine heart piercing point in order to penetrate long lost and hard hearts.
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#39
RE: damned
(December 30, 2018 at 1:54 am)lookinforhope Wrote: Hi,
I'm here out of desperation.  I'm hoping someone can help me.  I thought I was saved (a Christian) for 11 years.  In that time, everything I did was for God.  Then I pray this prayer, asking God to show me what was causing my long-term anxiety and depression.  Do you know what He shows me?!  He shows me that I was never really saved in the first place and that I never can be because I got married when He told me not to.  I did exactly what the Rich Young Ruler in the Bible did if you don't mind looking up the story.  I have had anxiety and depression ever since I have been together with my husband so I know this relationship was not God's will.  I remember God telling me that I would go to hell if I married him but I didn't believe Him because that sounds ridiculous.  Also, I thought you got saved by believing that Christ died for your sins, which I did do before I married my husband.  Upon further study of the scriptures there are TONS of conditions you have to meet in order to be saved.  There are SO MANY works, yet Christians say it's not by works.  Christians say that salvation is FREE but they are LIARS because salvation is NOT free.  Only those willing to pay the price get to go to heaven and that number is few.  I am so pissed.  I even went to my pastor and his wife before I got married for help because I was unsure of my salvation as well as the marriage I was about to enter into.  I need help.  When I first found out I was going to hell, I cried in my room for 2 years.  I've spent this 3rd year trying unsuccessfully to learn how to function again.  I have 4 beautiful children who need me.  I wish I could just become and atheist and be done with this but I can't.  I had actual encounters with God, Jesus, and the Holy Spirit.  I can't deny Him.  I can't walk around disabled, unable to function, and hyperventilating all the day long.  I didn't know God was so cruel.  Please help me, I don't know what to do. I need to live a good & productive life.

I believe you're stressing out over nothing.

The only unforgivable sin is the blasphemy of the holy spirit, whom you choose to marry has nothing to do with your salvation, did not Jesus forgive the woman who had 5 different husbands and was currently living with a man who she wasn't married to?

Do you love your spouse? If yes, then that's all that matters.
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#40
RE: damned
(January 2, 2019 at 4:44 am)Amarok Wrote:
(January 2, 2019 at 2:37 am)Godscreated Wrote: It's apparent you have not read the original OP.

GC
Accept I did and his statement seems to grind down to the question about what to do about his belief he's going to hell, And he has yet to return .

I'm sorry I misread your post I thought you said she, apologies.

GC
God loves those who believe and those who do not and the same goes for me, you have no choice in this matter. That puts the matter of total free will to rest.
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