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#41
RE: damned
(January 3, 2019 at 3:00 am)Godscreated Wrote:
(January 2, 2019 at 4:44 am)Amarok Wrote: Accept I did and his statement seems to grind down to the question about what to do about his belief he's going to hell, And he has yet to return .

I'm sorry I misread your post I thought you said she, apologies.

GC
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#42
RE: damned
(January 2, 2019 at 3:19 pm)Drich Wrote:
(January 2, 2019 at 12:38 pm)Jörmungandr Wrote: I did not criticize you simply for giving your opinion.  I criticized you for the content of your opinion, your insensitivity and prioritization of your needs over those of the OP, and for having the gall to justify doing so by claiming that your opinion was not only not just your opinion, but God's truth.  So quit straw manning and lying about what I said.  And I didn't say that it was narcissistic of you to give your opinion, so your claim that I was guilty of a double standard is, as are many of your claims, simply wrong.
Hmm, so it wasn't the content but how the information was framed?

have you read any of the other responses? Seriously, did you miss their messages, did you miss how the 18 post before me framed their responses???!?! 

1 Mocks prayer
2 brief smilie Well wishing
3 God is false problem solved
4 heart felt plea for sanity check
5 No god no problem
6 again no god no problem
7 leave god
8 emotionless clinical plea for sanity check
9 Called the OP a troll
10 Then your efforts which I would identify a heart felt plea for sanity check
11 Ship of fools comment and direction for sanity check
12 typical sincere christian personal invitation
13 religion is crazy
14 GC's evalution of two different posts.
15 demand for the OP to find help
16 the bible is BS
17 "you bible and all you believe is fake"
18 seek help from your own kind.

Then post 19 was mine. I am the only one who took the tie to address every single point she made about her beliefs her husband her assumption that she was hell bound/unsaved for her marriage and resolved everything with in a biblical frame work she should be obliged to believe in...

Even after framing every single word and piece of advise to fit a line by line answer to hr specific question.. I am the narcissist? mind you I did not evaluate her and judge her mentally broken or disabled because her view doses not fit my world view which even if you said it nicely is still the bottom line of your post.Who are any of you to judge someone mentally unfit by the use of comparison of your own life? which again is the majority/collective response here.

Look, I admit I did not take time to wrap up my answer in a neat little easy to swallow package. If this person wants that kind of verbal fondling then CF.com will fill her up with the coddling she is looking for. I went there after My church failed my wife and I and I got 30+ pages of "we will pray for you and beloved this and beloved that and all it amounted to nothing in the end but a series of well wishers. 

I am not here for people like that. I am here for the one who has hit bottom and demands to know the truth of the bible and God. Someone who seeks not the religious fluff and baby talk but someone who is interested in truth and the bottom line. Which is why I corrected her theology and gave her peace and direction concerning salvation and personal relationship. I spoke to her bout her marriage and showed her that it was indeed God's plan for us who burn with passion for one or the other to be married. that only demons forbade marriage, and that God would not give you a command not already established in scripture or would countermand scripture. Which would demand she take responsibility for leaving the marriage and not put it on her God.

If she is indeed one who God has shown himself to, there is no other way for her to live. She will have to reconcile her broken theology with how God chooses to live and work with us. This is something we can do but we must be willing to change our theological notions when they do not align with the bible scripturally. Otherwise we will be lost to God in such a way far worse than someone who never knew or experienced what she had.

In short I am here for those who have fallen through the typical cracks of the church/religion net. If the OP were a typical believer then she will find what she needs in a CF.com. The only one of two reasons to come here is to shop on an exit strategy on how to leave the church or seek out help from a non traditional church affiliated source. someone who has to drop the fluff of the word and sharpen it into a fine heart piercing point in order to penetrate long lost and hard hearts.

More lies. I did not "judge her mentally broken or disabled because her view doses not fit my world view " as anyone, including GC, can see. This is just a lie. When you lie like you do, you're basically acknowledging that you're wrong because if you had the truth on your side, you wouldn't need to lie. You've lied the last two times we've spoken. It seems that's all you know how to do. And again, apparently I have to repeat myself because you're a fucking moron who doesn't learn. You are not an authority, Drich. You continually represent your opinion as 'truth' when it's just your opinion. From someone who regularly embraces prosperity theology, which mainstream theologians reject as unbiblical, it's obvious that your opinion is a mixture of possibly sound bible based principles and ignorant wrong-headed crap. And you don't know which is which. Only your ego tells you that everything you believe is gold. And in doing so you demonstrate just how stupid you really are. Those who are most confident about what they know typically know the least. And that's you, Drich.
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#43
RE: damned
(December 30, 2018 at 1:54 am)lookinforhope Wrote: I had actual encounters with God, Jesus, and the Holy Spirit.

You just casually float that out there and keep on going.
Jesus is like Pinocchio.  He's the bastard son of a carpenter. And a liar. And he wishes he was real.
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#44
RE: damned
(January 5, 2019 at 9:22 am)Jörmungandr Wrote:
(January 2, 2019 at 3:19 pm)Drich Wrote: Hmm, so it wasn't the content but how the information was framed?

have you read any of the other responses? Seriously, did you miss their messages, did you miss how the 18 post before me framed their responses???!?! 

1 Mocks prayer
2 brief smilie Well wishing
3 God is false problem solved
4 heart felt plea for sanity check
5 No god no problem
6 again no god no problem
7 leave god
8 emotionless clinical plea for sanity check
9 Called the OP a troll
10 Then your efforts which I would identify a heart felt plea for sanity check
11 Ship of fools comment and direction for sanity check
12 typical sincere christian personal invitation
13 religion is crazy
14 GC's evalution of two different posts.
15 demand for the OP to find help
16 the bible is BS
17 "you bible and all you believe is fake"
18 seek help from your own kind.

Then post 19 was mine. I am the only one who took the tie to address every single point she made about her beliefs her husband her assumption that she was hell bound/unsaved for her marriage and resolved everything with in a biblical frame work she should be obliged to believe in...

Even after framing every single word and piece of advise to fit a line by line answer to hr specific question.. I am the narcissist? mind you I did not evaluate her and judge her mentally broken or disabled because her view doses not fit my world view which even if you said it nicely is still the bottom line of your post.Who are any of you to judge someone mentally unfit by the use of comparison of your own life? which again is the majority/collective response here.

Look, I admit I did not take time to wrap up my answer in a neat little easy to swallow package. If this person wants that kind of verbal fondling then CF.com will fill her up with the coddling she is looking for. I went there after My church failed my wife and I and I got 30+ pages of "we will pray for you and beloved this and beloved that and all it amounted to nothing in the end but a series of well wishers. 

I am not here for people like that. I am here for the one who has hit bottom and demands to know the truth of the bible and God. Someone who seeks not the religious fluff and baby talk but someone who is interested in truth and the bottom line. Which is why I corrected her theology and gave her peace and direction concerning salvation and personal relationship. I spoke to her bout her marriage and showed her that it was indeed God's plan for us who burn with passion for one or the other to be married. that only demons forbade marriage, and that God would not give you a command not already established in scripture or would countermand scripture. Which would demand she take responsibility for leaving the marriage and not put it on her God.

If she is indeed one who God has shown himself to, there is no other way for her to live. She will have to reconcile her broken theology with how God chooses to live and work with us. This is something we can do but we must be willing to change our theological notions when they do not align with the bible scripturally. Otherwise we will be lost to God in such a way far worse than someone who never knew or experienced what she had.

In short I am here for those who have fallen through the typical cracks of the church/religion net. If the OP were a typical believer then she will find what she needs in a CF.com. The only one of two reasons to come here is to shop on an exit strategy on how to leave the church or seek out help from a non traditional church affiliated source. someone who has to drop the fluff of the word and sharpen it into a fine heart piercing point in order to penetrate long lost and hard hearts.

More lies.  I did not "judge her mentally broken or disabled because her view doses not fit my world view " as anyone, including GC, can see.  This is just a lie.  When you lie like you do, you're basically acknowledging that you're wrong because if you had the truth on your side, you wouldn't need to lie.  You've lied the last two times we've spoken.  It seems that's all you know how to do.  And again, apparently I have to repeat myself because you're a fucking moron who doesn't learn.  You are not an authority, Drich.  You continually represent your opinion as 'truth' when it's just your opinion.  From someone who regularly embraces prosperity theology, which mainstream theologians reject as unbiblical, it's obvious that your opinion is a mixture of possibly sound bible based principles and ignorant wrong-headed crap.  And you don't know which is which.  Only your ego tells you that everything you believe is gold.  And in doing so you demonstrate just how stupid you really are.  Those who are most confident about what they know typically know the least.  And that's you, Drich.

whoa there sport, did you even read what i wrote? #10 I identified your work as a heart felt plea for a sanity check. this is what made me say that:

 
Quote:Since my teen years, I have suffered chronic depressions and psychotic delusions which over the years caused me enormous suffering. In the last few years, I've been free of the delusions, thanks to anti-psychotic medication, and this past summer, my depression lifted, and I am enjoying a full and happy life. 
This is you self identifying with the op with a similar struggle and your personal solution

and 

Quote:so do what you can to address your depression and anxiety in addition to worrying about your beliefs. If depression and anxiety are an issue in your life, then seek help, from therapy, medication, self-help books, friends, family, or whatever.
This is the plea it self for the OP to seek the same kinda of sanity check you underwent.

You are making plea for this person to have their mental health evaluated by a professional in the above quotes no matter how you frame it. So my question to you is where do you see a lie? did you not make a plea to have this person's mental health evaluated?
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#45
RE: damned
(January 7, 2019 at 2:36 pm)Drich Wrote:
(January 5, 2019 at 9:22 am)Jörmungandr Wrote: More lies.  I did not "judge her mentally broken or disabled because her view doses not fit my world view " as anyone, including GC, can see.  This is just a lie.  When you lie like you do, you're basically acknowledging that you're wrong because if you had the truth on your side, you wouldn't need to lie.  You've lied the last two times we've spoken.  It seems that's all you know how to do.  And again, apparently I have to repeat myself because you're a fucking moron who doesn't learn.  You are not an authority, Drich.  You continually represent your opinion as 'truth' when it's just your opinion.  From someone who regularly embraces prosperity theology, which mainstream theologians reject as unbiblical, it's obvious that your opinion is a mixture of possibly sound bible based principles and ignorant wrong-headed crap.  And you don't know which is which.  Only your ego tells you that everything you believe is gold.  And in doing so you demonstrate just how stupid you really are.  Those who are most confident about what they know typically know the least.  And that's you, Drich.

whoa there sport, did you even read what i wrote? #10 I identified your work as a heart felt plea for a sanity check. this is what made me say that:

 
Quote:Since my teen years, I have suffered chronic depressions and psychotic delusions which over the years caused me enormous suffering. In the last few years, I've been free of the delusions, thanks to anti-psychotic medication, and this past summer, my depression lifted, and I am enjoying a full and happy life. 
This is you self identifying with the op with a similar struggle and your personal solution

and 

Quote:so do what you can to address your depression and anxiety in addition to worrying about your beliefs. If depression and anxiety are an issue in your life, then seek help, from therapy, medication, self-help books, friends, family, or whatever.
This is the plea it self for the OP to seek the same kinda of sanity check you underwent.

You are making plea for this person to have their mental health evaluated by a professional in the above quotes no matter how you frame it. So my question to you is where do you see a lie? did you not make a plea to have this person's mental health evaluated?

In the first place, no I didn't make a plea to them to have their mental health evaluated but rather to help themselves to the tools available to them. Given that you believe that God intervenes in this world through natural means, it's rather nonsensical of you to suggest there is anything wrong with suggesting that a person use what is available to them in nature to solve their problems. That I was suggesting that they help themselves in addition was given in the context which you have chosen to ignore. Similarly with my mentioning my journey, you've ignored the context that this was an example of Solon's observation, not any attempt to simply identify with the poster. Regardless, at no point did I suggest that she was suffering because she disagreed with my worldview, which makes your claim that I evaluated her and "judge her mentally broken or disabled because her view doses not fit my world view which even if you said it nicely is still the bottom line of your post," false and a lie. You're just doubling down on your lies and misrepresentations, as usual, because you lack the integrity to admit when you are wrong.

You can respond further if you wish, but I will likely not reply as responding to you is a waste of time because you are dishonest, unethical, a fucking moron, and have personality flaws which prevent you from acknowledging a reasonable point. Talking to you is just an exercise in watching a miserable sinner in love with their sin, rejecting God and reason in favor of worshiping themselves.
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#46
RE: damned
(January 9, 2019 at 12:10 pm)Jörmungandr Wrote: In the first place, no I didn't make a plea to them to have their mental health evaluated but rather to help themselves to the tools available to them.
1st a plea is define as a request made in a urgent manor. and again the second quote where you are correcting the OP's assumptions concerning her religion being the root of her problems and refocusing on the mental health issue (which is always urgent and should never be taken lightly) is your plea. like it or not.

Quote:  Given that you believe that God intervenes in this world through natural means, it's rather nonsensical of you to suggest there is anything wrong with suggesting that a person use what is available to them in nature to solve their problems.
What the F are you talking about? I did not single you out nor criticize you specifically. You if you remember singled me out to criticize my response and I thought that was a joke because I am literally the only one to go line by line and answer each and every specific question or concern she had. I then question your motives in criticizing me by having you look at a synopsis of the 13 people who posted before me and what they said. Your accused me of being cruel and off topic so I show you what your peers where saying. My synopsis of what you said pointed out you made a heart felt plea for a mental health evaluation. you made this less about religion and ore about seeking professional help. Which is fine but to my point did not topically speak to her specific concerns. that is the only criticism one can accurately make from what I said. Idk where you get the rest of this. it sounds like you just wanting to be butt hurt and are manufacturing reasons to be offended.

Quote:That I was suggesting that they help themselves in addition was given in the context which you have chosen to ignore.  Similarly with my mentioning my journey, you've ignored the context that this was an example of Solon's observation, not any attempt to simply identify with the poster.  Regardless, at no point did I suggest that she was suffering because she disagreed with my worldview, which makes your claim that I evaluated her and "judge her mentally broken or disabled because her view doses not fit my world view which even if you said it nicely is still the bottom line of your post," false and a lie.  You're just doubling down on your lies and misrepresentations, as usual, because you lack the integrity to admit when you are wrong.
get over yourself one and two when ever you suggest a mental evaluation you no matter how you get there have indeed judged someone mentally broken to one degree or another. Or rather when is the last time you asked a perfect picture of mental heath to be evaluated? People here in this society do not do this. (if you didn't know.) so despite how you justify it your plea to be evaluated is a judgement against's the OP mental health, and again should be taken seriously as all should be.

Quote:You can respond further if you wish, but I will likely not reply as responding to you is a waste of time because you are dishonest, unethical, a fucking moron, and have personality flaws which prevent you from acknowledging a reasonable point.  Talking to you is just an exercise in watching a miserable sinner in love with their sin, rejecting God and reason in favor of worshiping themselves.
I do not blame you for not responding as it is apparent you can clearly see the writing on the wall and know your efforts here are foolish and without effect as you have either lost focus and don't know what is being discussed, or you are simply too close, too emotional on the subject to make sound reasoning and judgement evaluations, given your own hardship with the subject..

This was never about you or what you said. your efforts were reasonable. I was just defending my point by point effort answering the OP again your unfair judgement when you levied against me especially when you look at what the rest of your peers did and said. That what this argument should have been about not your narcissism or need to be criticized.
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#47
RE: damned
(January 10, 2019 at 11:47 am)Drich Wrote:
(January 9, 2019 at 12:10 pm)Jörmungandr Wrote: In the first place, no I didn't make a plea to them to have their mental health evaluated but rather to help themselves to the tools available to them.
1st a plea is define as a request made in a urgent manor. and again the second quote where you are correcting the OP's assumptions concerning her religion being the root of her problems and refocusing on the mental health issue (which is always urgent and should never be taken lightly) is your plea. like it or not.

Quote:That I was suggesting that they help themselves in addition was given in the context which you have chosen to ignore.  Similarly with my mentioning my journey, you've ignored the context that this was an example of Solon's observation, not any attempt to simply identify with the poster.  Regardless, at no point did I suggest that she was suffering because she disagreed with my worldview, which makes your claim that I evaluated her and "judge her mentally broken or disabled because her view doses not fit my world view which even if you said it nicely is still the bottom line of your post," false and a lie.  You're just doubling down on your lies and misrepresentations, as usual, because you lack the integrity to admit when you are wrong.
get over yourself one and two when ever you suggest a mental evaluation you no matter how you get there have indeed judged someone mentally broken to one degree or another. Or rather when is the last time you asked a perfect picture of mental heath to be evaluated? People here in this society do not do this. (if you didn't know.) so despite how you justify it your plea to be evaluated is a judgement against's the OP mental health, and again should be taken seriously as all should be.

More fucking lies. Nowhere did I make a plea for her to get a "sanity check." What I did say, verbatim, was, "If depression and anxiety are an issue in your life, then seek help, from therapy, medication, self-help books, friends, family, or whatever." Nowhere in that sentence am I telling her that she is sick or broken, only that IF depression and anxiety are an issue in her life that she should seek whatever means she deems appropriate to address that issue. So once again you're shown to be lying and making up bullshit to cover yourself.
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