Christians vs Christians (yec)

[Fake Messiah]

Jumping to conclusions belongs to the likes of you, saying you know black holes exist and that they have profoundly contributed to the universes development.

Wow! You obviously do not know what a black hole is. And ask yourself whose fault is that? Black hole is "simply" a star that has such strong gravity that even light can't reach escape velocity on it - so what is your problem with that existing? Especially since scientists detected it with many instruments including Hubble Space Telescope.

Believing in the unseen and unproven dark matter and dark energy and educating young minds on how it effects the universe.

It doesn't mean that if something is invisible that we shouldn't think it doesn't exists, like gravity that is invisible but gives off other clues that it exists.
Similar thing is with dark matter - DM is a model which is used to explain why galaxies are held together and it is something that is still worked on. And there is certainty nothing in the Bible that can give any hint or explanation what it could be instead.
While, on the other hand, there is no indication what so ever that any god exists, even yours. There is no indication that Jesus is sitting in heaven with twelve apostles around him.

I have never seen someone prove the Bible is wrong.

Then you obviously have never heard of Mathematics because Pi is not a round number as Bible claims (1 Kings 7:23 and Chronicles 4:2); you also never heard of Medicine because leprosy is not healed with spraying blood as Bible tells us to do (Leviticus 14:7); you obviously never heard of Biology because bats are not birds as Bible claims (Deuteronomy 14:11-18 and Leviticus 11:13-19) and so much more.

[Homeless Nutter]

Yeah, well - the Sorting Hat is a hat, yet it decides which of the Hogwarts houses you belong in...  

You call my belief crazy!

I do call your belief crazy - well spotted. I'm glad you're beginning to catch on.

I have the understanding God has given me and I give Him all the credit, learning from an omniscient mind is awesome.

Yes, I'm sure it is. Too bad the "omniscient mind" in question knows about as much as a bronze age barbarian goat-herder...

No, I came to know the God of creation, you know the one who knows everything, unlike some I know who believe they know everything.

Nope - I know a whole bunch of gods, all of which were invented by primitive frauds in order to dominate and fleece ignorant, fearful peasants like yourself.

 You mean like those who believe in the unseen and unproven dark matter and dark energy and black holes.

LOL... What has that got to do with atheism? Whatever theories modern physics puts forward - nobody's forcing me to believe in them, or to change my behavior in order to please them. Also - the evidence is easily accessible to anyone with enough scientific literacy. People like you are too thick to understand science, which is why both religion and astrophysics seem equally impenetrable and faith-based to you. But that's your problem.

You know I see a connection in these names and the non belief you all have "dark and black" just like Satan wishes for you.

That's because you're a simpleton and your lack of intelligence doesn't allow for operations more sophisticated than color recognition.

You are the ones being fooled and by an unseen entity, so it seems to me you have a bit of foolishness to account for.

What unseen entity? What are you talking about? Whether or not I accept scientific theories about "dark and black things" makes no real difference in my everyday life and has nothing to do with the fact, that you live on your knees with an imaginary c*ck up your ar*e...

[BrianSoddingBoru4]

At work.

Hello God's Chisen.

Uhm... sorry going to go with GC from here on out.

So. While neither of us are astronomers, why is it that you think said folks are speaking bunk about things such as black holes and dark 'Stuff'?

Cheers.

Good observation.  I'm on board. 

These astronomy johnnies also like to tell us that at the centre of the sun is a great big old fusion reactor.  But they've never actually BEEN to the middle of the sun, now have they?  They must be super-dooper psychics - they can see inside the sun all the way from their mansions that have been paid for with their book royalties.

God be great!!

Boru

[Godscreated]

Jumping to conclusions belongs to the likes of you, saying you know black holes exist and that they have profoundly contributed to the universes development.

Wow! You obviously do not know what a black hole is. And ask yourself whose fault is that? Black hole is "simply" a star that has such strong gravity that even light can't reach escape velocity on it - so what is your problem with that existing? Especially since scientists detected it with many instruments including Hubble Space Telescope.

Really, an argument that weak should not even be given. The Hubble telescope can't even give us a half way detailed picture of Pluto so how is it that it is going to detect something that emits no light, there is no proof of black holes and astronomers will admit that why can't you. i'll tell you why because I'm a Christian and you can't bring yourself to believe I could be right. I never said that black holes do not exist, maybe they do maybe they don't. Go cry your sad story to someone who wants to believe in the unproven I do not want to hear it.

Believing in the unseen and unproven dark matter and dark energy and educating young minds on how it effects the universe.

It doesn't mean that if something is invisible that we shouldn't think it doesn't exists, like gravity that is invisible but gives off other clues that it exists.
Similar thing is with dark matter - DM is a model which is used to explain why galaxies are held together and it is something that is still worked on. And there is certainty nothing in the Bible that can give any hint or explanation what it could be instead.
While, on the other hand, there is no indication what so ever that any god exists, even yours. There is no indication that Jesus is sitting in heaven with twelve apostles around him.

Contradicting yourself, not good. The unseen God could be what is holding everything together, He is a force more powerful than anything created, even an entire universe. Dark matter was plugged in because science has no answer and instead of waiting to find out what is really going on in the universe astrological science has assigned and invisible thing and why so no one can dispute it. Made up equations and philosophy do not make a truth. science gives credit to a black hole being able to stop light travel, yet says gravity is so weak it can't hold a galaxy together, crazy sounding. Our minds are to small to fathom the universe and we should take facts as we find them and then apply them to those things they effect, why does science need to make up fairy tales. The Bible isn't a science book and I'm not sure why you would think it should explain everything in the universe, it is a spiritual guide to the truth of God, of who He is and why He has done the things He has to save man from himself.

I have never seen someone prove the Bible is wrong.

Then you obviously have never heard of Mathematics because Pi is not a round number as Bible claims (1 Kings 7:23 and Chronicles 4:2);

The Bible says nothing about Pi, it's not a math book it is as I explained above. Those verses give a measurement that no one knows precisely what it is and as for giving things in exact measurements is something we do not always do today, we gladly round off numbers, just as the younger generation shortens words for texting.

you also never heard of Medicine because leprosy is not healed with spraying blood as Bible tells us to do (Leviticus 14:7); you obviously never heard of Biology because bats are not birds as Bible claims (Deuteronomy 14:11-18 and Leviticus 11:13-19) and so much more.

 Lets deal with the birds and bats first, science today moves different animals into different categories and that has been done for a long time past. As for the leprosy of a person, the acts of the blood, oil and offerings come after the leprosy has already been healed. Those acts done with the blood, oil and offerings are pointing to Jesus and the atonement He will bring to mankind one day. You should actually read the scriptures instead of quoting what someone else says, when they are wrong it makes you look stupid for not investigating and looking for the truth. Seems I know more about biology, medicine and math than you have given me credit for, unfortunately I can't give you any credit for anything, by the way seems I have an understanding of the scriptures that you severely lack, seeking God's truth pays off in the end.

GC

[Peebothuhlu]

At work.

Wait GC.

You are saying you don't read Astronomy web sites?

Phil Plait (Of 'Bad Astronomy') actually has the frames where in astronomers have telescope images of other suns trapped in close orbits with exactly the phenomenon that is a 'Black hole'.

If I were able, I'd link the page. Sadly not able on my phone.

Hopefully you'll check out Phil's page and find the article.

Cheers.

[Godscreated]

You call my belief crazy!

I do call your belief crazy - well spotted.    I'm glad you're beginning to catch on.

It would take an idiot to miss your intentions towards Christianity, one can easily see through you, such a shallow person as you can't hide from the truth. I caught on long before you ever ventured here.

I have the understanding God has given me and I give Him all the credit, learning from an omniscient mind is awesome.

Yes, I'm sure it is. Too bad the "omniscient mind" in question knows about as much as a bronze age barbarian goat-herder...

Well I see you are now agreeing with me. Guess what no goat herder wrote the books of the Bible, these were men busy with God's work. Yes God did take men from lowly back grounds and used them in extraordinary ways. Two that at one time watched over sheep became the greatest leaders of a nation, both whom God held up high before their fellow man.

No, I came to know the God of creation, you know the one who knows everything, unlike some I know who believe they know everything.

Nope - I know a whole bunch of gods, all of which were invented by primitive frauds in order to dominate and fleece ignorant, fearful peasants like yourself. 

You know no gods, there is only one God and i'm certain you have never met Him, it would do you a great deal of good if you were to meet Him. I've never been fleeced nor dominated by Christianity, I can't say the same for the secular non-believing world though. The calls I get on my phone nearly everyday come from dishonest unbelievers who want my money, they want me to believe in their foolish scheme, they are the ones who believe I'm a fool just as you do. Guess what it's not me who's the fool in either case.

 You mean like those who believe in the unseen and unproven dark matter and dark energy and black holes.

LOL... What has that got to do with atheism? Whatever theories modern physics puts forward - nobody's forcing me to believe in them, or to change my behavior in order to please them. Also - the evidence is easily accessible to anyone with enough scientific literacy. People like you are too thick to understand science, which is why both religion and astrophysics seem equally impenetrable and faith-based to you. But that's your problem.

You telling me you believe something different than what the scientific world is teaching, come on we both know better than that. You have been fooled into believing many things that are not true, unfortunately you are not smart enough to investigate and find the truth. You are being foolish if you do not think that those who spread this junk science around are not pleased you believe in what they say, they are over joyed. Truth is at the core of my faith, but for you you will eat up whatever junk science is thrown your way.

You know I see a connection in these names and the non belief you all have "dark and black" just like Satan wishes for you.

That's because you're a simpleton and your lack of intelligence doesn't allow for operations more sophisticated than color recognition.   

Could be I'm a simpleton but I'm smarter than you are, I have found a way to live forever. Those colors fit your condition well.

You are the ones being fooled and by an unseen entity, so it seems to me you have a bit of foolishness to account for.

What unseen entity? What are you talking about?

See what I mean, he has you so fooled that you do not even recognize him nor see what he has lead you to believe. That one is the one who is laughing at you and he is afraid of what I have.

... to do with the fact, that you live on your knees with an imaginary c*ck up your ar*e...

 That you ungrateful twit is completely uncalled for, you are quite the sorry low life you present yourself to be.

GC

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At work.

Wait GC.

You are saying you don't read Astronomy web sites?

Phil Plait (Of 'Bad Astronomy') actually has the frames where in astronomers have telescope images of other suns trapped in close orbits with exactly the phenomenon that is a 'Black hole'.

If I were able, I'd link the page. Sadly not able on my phone.

Hopefully you'll check out Phil's page and find the article.

Cheers.

 I know all about that, yet it proves nothing, most astronomers will admit there is no proof of black holes. By the way if you had read what I said instead of going off the deep end you would have seen that I said that black holes could be a possibility.

GC

[Peebothuhlu]

At work.

Uhm... okay. So what then is causing a star's motion to describe ane elips of some extreme proportions. Such that, at one point, a star is travelling at significant fractions/percentages of the speed of light?

In conjuction with I might add that the focal point of said star's orbital path is itself not radiating stellar amounts of photons?

EDIT: Sorry. .... might you link to some of these astronomers who disagree with black holes?

"Off the deep end" Huh? Pardon? I'm just bemused by your post, is all.

[Fake Messiah]

Contradicting yourself, not good.

Actually you are contradicting yourself, because one moment you say that scientists are wrong because they don't use Bible to explain forces in the universe and then you say that Bible is not a science book and that it doesn't give that kind of explanations, but something else. Now that is an example of self contradiction, like:

The unseen God could be what is holding everything together. Dark matter was plugged in because science has no answer and instead of waiting to find out what is really going on in the universe astrological science has assigned and invisible thing and why so no one can dispute it.

But then you say

The Bible isn't a science book and I'm not sure why you would think it should explain everything in the universe, it is a spiritual guide to the truth of God

The Bible says nothing about Pi

Actually it tells us that Hebrews in question approximated the ration of the circumference to the diameter of a circle by 3 - which is talking about Pi.

Lets deal with the birds and bats first, science today moves different animals into different categories and that has been done for a long time past.

So you are saying that the Bible was written by humans who had their human system and not God. Fine with me.

[Homeless Nutter]

It would take an idiot to miss your intentions towards Christianity

It sure would, buddy. It sure would...

one can easily see through you, such a shallow person as you can't hide from the truth. I caught on long before you ever ventured here.

Not sure what that means, but good for you. I'm sure god would be proud of you if he existed.

Well I see you are now agreeing with me. Guess what no goat herder wrote the books of the Bible, these were men busy with God's work. Yes God did take men from lowly back grounds and used them in extraordinary ways.

Oh, I'll bet he did...

Two that at one time watched over sheep became the greatest leaders of a nation, both whom God held up high before their fellow man.

Yeah... That never happened.

You know no gods, there is only one God

No, there isn't. Grow up.

and i'm certain you have never met Him, it would do you a great deal of good if you were to meet Him.

Great. Tell him to stop by anytime. I presume he knows where to find me.

I've never been fleeced nor dominated by Christianity, I can't say the same for the secular non-believing world though.

So, you're telling me that Christianity has been fleecing and dominating the non-believing world? Yes, well - can't argue with history. But how much are you paying your church?

The calls I get on my phone nearly everyday come from dishonest unbelievers who want my money, they want me to believe in their foolish scheme, they are the ones who believe I'm a fool just as you do. Guess what it's not me who's the fool in either case.

Yeah... No, I'm going to guess, that you're the fool in pretty much every case.

You telling me you believe something different than what the scientific world is teaching, come on we both know better than that. You have been fooled into believing many things that are not true, unfortunately you are not smart enough to investigate and find the truth. You are being foolish if you do not think that those who spread this junk science around are not pleased you believe in what they say, they are over joyed. Truth is at the core of my faith, but for you you will eat up whatever junk science is thrown your way.

Unlike you - I'm free to believe whatever I find to be supported by facts and reason. You are forced to believe only whatever agrees with a 2000-year-old book - or rather a particular interpretation of it...

Could be I'm a simpleton but I'm smarter than you are, I have found a way to live forever.

Mmm-kay. Let me know how that works out for you.

Those colors fit your condition well.

Uhm... Thank you?...

See what I mean, he has you so fooled that you do not even recognize him nor see what he has lead you to believe. That one is the one who is laughing at you and he is afraid of what I have.

Congenital syphilis?

... to do with the fact, that you live on your knees with an imaginary c*ck up your ar*e...

 That you ungrateful twit is completely uncalled for, you are quite the sorry low life you present yourself to be.

My apologies. I meant to say "an imaginary penis in your rectum". You are the submissive in an abusive relationship with a fictional father-figure. And I - for one - think that's messed up.

[The Grand Nudger]

At work.

Uhm... okay. So what then is causing a star's motion to describe ane elips of some extreme proportions. Such that, at one point, a star is travelling at significant fractions/percentages of the speed of light?

God's..like, nudging it.  Everyone knows that.