The decline of evangelical Christians.

[Jehanne]

I would like to get some perspective on how our resident evangelical Christians feel about their religion being in decline as a moral and political force, particularly, in the United States.  Do you see this as yet another sign of The Apocalypse?  And, even if so, how do you feel about being part of a shrinking minority, perhaps even facing discrimination over your LGBTQ stance?  Do you look to the Courts to protect you, and in particular, are your views towards such entities, such as the ACLU, changing, as they will sometimes be the ones to protect your 1st Amendment rights?

Are you biased or blind? or is fake news just your thing?

While evangelicals maybe on a decline Non-denominational membership  are on an sharp up tick... In your very well educated non biased opinion    where do you think these new non-doms are coming from? Could it be possible in your world that the evags are going to more and more non-dom churches?

I belong to a non denominational church myself, as they tend to be less about blind religious methodology that bring only that one denomination to heaven. they tend to be more conservative progressive, in that they take people out of the blind faith in the church so many denominational churches demand.
https://www.christianitytoday.com/news/2...ional.html

Record Few Americans Believe Bible Is Literal Word of God

[Drich]

Are you biased or blind? or is fake news just your thing?

While evangelicals maybe on a decline Non-denominational membership  are on an sharp up tick... In your very well educated non biased opinion    where do you think these new non-doms are coming from? Could it be possible in your world that the evags are going to more and more non-dom churches?

I belong to a non denominational church myself, as they tend to be less about blind religious methodology that bring only that one denomination to heaven. they tend to be more conservative progressive, in that they take people out of the blind faith in the church so many denominational churches demand.
https://www.christianitytoday.com/news/2...ional.html

Record Few Americans Believe Bible Is Literal Word of God

define literal word of god?

Did God write the bible himself I would say no... so to this poll does it count me as being a non biblical literalist?

Or did they ask people in school or coming out of school people which do you think is right evolution or creation? Or perhaps ask them can you account for all the errors in the bible. any number of loaded question would make a literlist answer in favor of what this poll wanted to say!

Polls mean shite.. Just ask Clinton or anyone else who thought she would win! Polls can say anything you want them to say it is the most dishonest form of getting a collective feel.

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I honestly think you guys have little to no clue on how involved the church really is. Sure aspects are dying but others are growing like wild fire. just look at christian music as a genre while it is not exactly mainstream pop it is still a billion dollar a year industry. while just 20 years ago when evangelicals were at the peak of power it was almost nonexistent. Before every major reformation or restoration of the church.. there is a push towards music. There was in the form of christian rock and the exodus of the dying church and a move to a system of belief that embraces this music as well as the standards the evangelicals wanted to only keep.

All I'm saing us before you set your cauldron in the front yard and start cooking children in an attempt to make a youth potion know that the old gaurd is in process of passing the torch, don't think the new is going to just roll over or not be there.

[Jehanne]

Record Few Americans Believe Bible Is Literal Word of God

define literal word of god?

Did God write the bible himself I would say no... so to this poll does it count me as being a non biblical literalist?

Or did they ask people in school or coming out of school people which do you think is right evolution or creation? Or perhaps ask them can you account for all the errors in the bible. any number of loaded question would make a literlist answer in favor of what this poll wanted to say!

Polls mean shite.. Just ask Clinton or anyone else who thought she would win! Polls can say anything you want them to say it is the most dishonest form of getting a collective feel.

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I honestly think you guys have little to no clue on how involved the church really is. Sure aspects are dying but others are growing like wild fire. just look at christian music as a genre while it is not exactly mainstream pop it is still a billion dollar a year industry. while just 20 years ago when evangelicals were at the peak of power it was almost nonexistent. Before every major reformation or restoration of the church.. there is a push towards music. There was in the form of christian rock and the exodus of the dying church and a move to a system of belief that embraces this music as well as the standards the evangelicals wanted to only keep.

All I'm saing us before you set your cauldron in the front yard and start cooking children in an attempt to make a youth potion know that the old gaurd is in process of passing the torch, don't think the new is going to just roll over or not be there.

Drich,

I don't care; I grew-up in an era where sodomy was a crime that could get a homosexual couple arrested, handcuffed and taken to jail; doesn't happen anymore.

Prior to that (in 70s), biological men could be arrested for being in public while wearing a skirt; doesn't happen anymore.  (And, as a biological man, I wear skirts, publicly, and no one has even looked at me, except, on occasion, in approval.)

And, so, what do you think has changed over the last 40 to 50 years?

[Drich]

define literal word of god?

Did God write the bible himself I would say no... so to this poll does it count me as being a non biblical literalist?

Or did they ask people in school or coming out of school people which do you think is right evolution or creation? Or perhaps ask them can you account for all the errors in the bible. any number of loaded question would make a literlist answer in favor of what this poll wanted to say!

Polls mean shite.. Just ask Clinton or anyone else who thought she would win! Polls can say anything you want them to say it is the most dishonest form of getting a collective feel.

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I honestly think you guys have little to no clue on how involved the church really is. Sure aspects are dying but others are growing like wild fire. just look at christian music as a genre while it is not exactly mainstream pop it is still a billion dollar a year industry. while just 20 years ago when evangelicals were at the peak of power it was almost nonexistent. Before every major reformation or restoration of the church.. there is a push towards music. There was in the form of christian rock and the exodus of the dying church and a move to a system of belief that embraces this music as well as the standards the evangelicals wanted to only keep.

All I'm saing us before you set your cauldron in the front yard and start cooking children in an attempt to make a youth potion know that the old gaurd is in process of passing the torch, don't think the new is going to just roll over or not be there.

Drich,

I don't care; I grew-up in an era where sodomy was a crime that could get a homosexual couple arrested, handcuffed and taken to jail; doesn't happen anymore.

Prior to that (in 70s), biological men could be arrested for being in public while wearing a skirt; doesn't happen anymore.  (And, as a biological man, I wear skirts, publicly, and no one has even looked at me, except, on occasion, in approval.)

And, so, what do you think has changed over the last 40 to 50 years?

have you lost you mind?

what does any of this gay crap have to do with the church/thread subject title?

Bait and switch much?

Do you want to see how someone really reacts to a subject he truly give 0 shites about??

Observe the following:....

did you see it? here it goes again: .... 

meaning ... is the total interest I can generate in your new subject because for realze I do not care.

[Jehanne]

Drich,

I don't care; I grew-up in an era where sodomy was a crime that could get a homosexual couple arrested, handcuffed and taken to jail; doesn't happen anymore.

Prior to that (in 70s), biological men could be arrested for being in public while wearing a skirt; doesn't happen anymore.  (And, as a biological man, I wear skirts, publicly, and no one has even looked at me, except, on occasion, in approval.)

And, so, what do you think has changed over the last 40 to 50 years?

have you lost you mind?

what does any of this gay crap have to do with the church/thread subject title?

Bait and switch much?

Do you want to see how someone really reacts to a subject he truly give 0 shites about??

Observe the following:....

did you see it? here it goes again: .... 

meaning ... is the total interest I can generate in your new subject because for realze I do not care.

I think that the overall acceptance of LGBTQ Americans is due to the decline of evangelical Christianity in America and its influence in the political sphere.

[Yonadav]

have you lost you mind?

what does any of this gay crap have to do with the church/thread subject title?

Bait and switch much?

Do you want to see how someone really reacts to a subject he truly give 0 shites about??

Observe the following:....

did you see it? here it goes again: .... 

meaning ... is the total interest I can generate in your new subject because for realze I do not care.

I think that the overall acceptance of LGBTQ Americans is due to the decline of evangelical Christianity in America and its influence in the political sphere.

According to marketing executives and public relations people, the larger amount of disposable income that many gay Americans had, had a lot to do with it. There was big money in commercializing LGBT issues. It is sad, but true.

[Jehanne]

I think that the overall acceptance of LGBTQ Americans is due to the decline of evangelical Christianity in America and its influence in the political sphere.

According to marketing executives and public relations people, the larger amount of disposable income that many gay Americans had, had a lot to do with it. There was big money in commercializing LGBT issues. It is sad, but true.

"Where one's treasure is..."

[Yonadav]

Meh. It's becoming popular with many in the gay community to object to the commercialization of the rainbow flag. They feel that the flag has been usurped by Big Business. They have forgotten (or never knew) that we sold that shit to Big Business quite intentionally.

[Drich]

have you lost you mind?

what does any of this gay crap have to do with the church/thread subject title?

Bait and switch much?

Do you want to see how someone really reacts to a subject he truly give 0 shites about??

Observe the following:....

did you see it? here it goes again: .... 

meaning ... is the total interest I can generate in your new subject because for realze I do not care.

I think that the overall acceptance of LGBTQ Americans is due to the decline of evangelical Christianity in America and its influence in the political sphere.

what about catholicism, formal protestantism? with the luthern movement and the subsequent fractures, all the way down to the abandoment of the small neighborhood churches to the mega churches who hold 25,000 people at a time and also hold 3 services?!?!? 

what your witnessing is spiritual growth in the church that is all. even if there isn't a need to hate homosexuals which causes another growth spirt in the church no one is allowing this sin to be taken off the books, just treated like any other sexual sin.

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According to marketing executives and public relations people, the larger amount of disposable income that many gay Americans had, had a lot to do with it. There was big money in commercializing LGBT issues. It is sad, but true.

"Where one's treasure is..."

one's heart is.. there too will you find his treasure.

[Jehanne]

what your witnessing is spiritual growth in the church that is all. even if there isn't a need to hate homosexuals which causes another growth spirt in the church no one is allowing this sin to be taken off the books, just treated like any other sexual sin.

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You need to read more, Drich, honey:

Archbishop of Canterbury apologises

Shortly after the meeting of the Anglican primates, Archbishop Justin Welby held a press conference in which he apologised "to lesbian, gay, bisexual and transgender people for the hurt and pain they have experienced by the Anglican Communion over the years". Welby said, "it is for me a constant source of deep sadness that people are persecuted for their sexuality … I want to take this opportunity personally to say how sorry I am for the hurt and pain in the past and present that the church has caused."

Wikipedia -- Archbishop of Canterbury apologises to LGBTQ