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[Yonadav]

The big downside of EVs is replacing the batteries - which will likely last til just shortly after the warranty runs out.

Be ready for a five figure repair bill.

Yep. If it weren't for the battery problem, EVs would probably depreciate more slowly than other vehicles. But there is a hard limit to the number of charge/discharge cycles the batteries can endure. If the batteries become significantly less expensive and replacing them is made easier, then depreciation would be less of a factor. Also there are emerging battery technologies that show some promise for tolerating far more charge/discharge cycles.

[onlinebiker]

The big downside of EVs is replacing the batteries - which will likely last til just shortly after the warranty runs out.

Be ready for a five figure repair bill.

Yep. If it weren't for the battery problem, EVs would probably depreciate more slowly thian other vehicles. But there is a hard limit to the number of charge/discharge cycles the batteries can endure. If the batteries become significantly less expensive and replacing them is made easier, then depreciation would be less of a factor. Also there are emerging battery technologies that show some promise for tolerating far more charge/discharge cycles.

Also HOW you charge them. The current generation of Li- po batteries have one HUGE drawback - they degrade quickly if you recharge too quickly after a discharge. This makes traveling long range a no-no for pure electric vehicles.

[Shell B]

Oh, I had you mistaken for someone worth chatting with. I’ll remember that’s not the case, and just remind you that you didn’t fucking provide any evidence for your “depreciating” comment, and I’m not just going to take some misogynist cunt’s word for it. Moreover, any car can be taken care of. The earliest Teslas are still on the road. Fuck off.

Make a casual comment about a car and get called a stupid woman? Am I in a fucking different decade?

I completely trust you to do your own research into the matter of EV depreciation. I don't provide links to support it, because I encourage people to research the things that I say independently, and to draw their own conclusions. In other words, I talk to you like I think that you are an intelligent person who won't simply take my word for it.

Yeah, calling me another woman who can’t do math really made me feel like you were treating me like an intelligent person. Barf.

Why is anyone worried about my repair bill? I wouldn’t buy a Tesla if I couldn’t afford it.

[onlinebiker]

I completely trust you to do your own research into the matter of EV depreciation. I don't provide links to support it, because I encourage people to research the things that I say independently, and to draw their own conclusions. In other words, I talk to you like I think that you are an intelligent person who won't simply take my word for it.

 I'm
Yeah, calling me another woman who can’t do math really made me feel like you were treating me like an intelligent person. Barf.

Why is anyone worried about my repair bill? I wouldn’t buy a Tesla if I couldn’t afford it.

Not worried about it.


Just being factual.


A Tesla isn' t about " being green" - and it' s certainly isn't about being economical.


It' s a stroke to one' s ego.


And there' s nothing wrong with that.

[Yonadav]

Yep. If it weren't for the battery problem, EVs would probably depreciate more slowly thian other vehicles. But there is a hard limit to the number of charge/discharge cycles the batteries can endure. If the batteries become significantly less expensive and replacing them is made easier, then depreciation would be less of a factor. Also there are emerging battery technologies that show some promise for tolerating far more charge/discharge cycles.

Also HOW you charge them. The current generation of Li- po batteries have one HUGE drawback - they degrade quickly if you recharge too quickly after a discharge. This makes traveling long range a no-no for pure electric vehicles.

Yep. I can't believe how many times I have had arguments with guys who have small off grid stationary systems.  They get this idea in their heads that the lithium batteries are their dream battery bank. That is idiotic. They apparently want them because they can put out a large burst of energy for a short time, as opposed to deep cycle lead acid batteries that put out less oomph over longer periods of time. But there is really nothing that you can do to extend the service life of the lithium batteries. If you learn to do good maintenance on your deep cycle lead acid batteries, carefully monitor how deeply discharged they become, and never push them beyond their limits, they can last for decades. But a lot of these small off grid guys don't want to learn battery maintenance and responsible use, so they toast their battery banks within a year or two. Then they blame the batteries.

Lithium batteries are even trickier. They are really picky about their charge/discharge cycles. I would never buy a used one, because I just don't know what it has been subjected to, and there isn't anything that you can do to fix it.

[onlinebiker]

Lead acid batteries do work well - in stationary applications.

I have a bank of car batteries to supply power via inverter - as our power goes out on average 3 times a year. We have a 6.5 kW generator as well.

I just had to replace my old bank 2 years ago. The batteries I had were used, and on average 5 years old, when I got them ( free). They made it 10 years before the last ones lost holding capacity.


In mobile operations - it' s far less - as most batteries don't tolerate vibration well. Most are only good for 4-5 years.


Li-Po do have a great shelf life - 20 years or so --- but only if they are never discharged. The charging cycle shortens life considerably.

[Shell B]

 I'm
Yeah, calling me another woman who can’t do math really made me feel like you were treating me like an intelligent person. Barf.

Why is anyone worried about my repair bill? I wouldn’t buy a Tesla if I couldn’t afford it.

Not worried about it.


Just being factual.


A Tesla isn' t about " being green" - and it' s certainly isn't about being economical.


It' s a stroke to one' s ego.


And there' s nothing wrong with that.

That's simply not how I feel about it. If I wanted to stroke my ego, I'd buy a much nicer/more expensive car. Tesla's aren't that high end, guys.

[Jackalope]

The big downside of EVs is replacing the batteries - which will likely last til just shortly after the warranty runs out.

Be ready for a five figure repair bill.

I own an EV. I am fully depreciating the value of the car over the lifetime of the battery pack. Including maintanence and fuel costs, it blows away even our gas powered Kia in terms of TCO and $/mile. Even accounting for a battery pack replacement at around 100k miles it STILL blows away our Kia. Also, battery pack replacement is nowhere near 5 figures. Maybe in a Tesla...

[The Valkyrie]

I want a Lawmaster bike with twin wheel mounted cannons, armour plating, and turbo boost. 0-300 kph in 2.5 seconds.

But they're apparently "fictional" and even if they're not, "won't be invented for another 60 years".

[ohreally]

I'm really thinking about getting a Yamaha MT-09 or maybe something else that has a bit of upright seating posture.