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[Jackalope]

I would like to point out that I didn't discuss depreciation as a monetary cost of ownership issue, but as a carbon footprint issue. For example, let's say that the manufacturing footprint of a gasoline subcompact and an EV are roughly equal. Let's say the EV depreciates at twice the rate of the gasoline subcompact. Then the EV has twice the manufacturing footprint.

Let's say monkeys fly out of my butt. Free transportation amirite?

You claim much and demonstrate little.

Depreciation has fuck all to do with it. What you're actually claiming is that EVs last half as long -and- that they have the same manufacturing carbon footprint.

Why are you ignoring the operational carbon footprint?

[onlinebiker]

Something else to connsider. 20 or 30 year old cars are commonplace. Parts are available foor even 30, 40 and 50 year old gas powered vehicles.

Ever try to fix 30 year old electronics?

I' m willing to bet that in 30 years the only current mannufactured EVs you will see will be in museums.

[AFTT47]

As always - when you want to see what works best - look at what the cops are driving....

V-8s and RWD still rule the road...

Yeah, that's brilliant.

The police will select what works best for their particular needs. They're out driving all day (not a normal situation) so they put a premium on range. Initial purchase price is also a concern for political and budgetary reasons. Maintenance needs also dictate their choice. It needs to be compatible with their present infrastructure. In other words, what the police choose is absolutely irrelevant as their needs do not correspond in any way to the needs of the average driver or to what benefits society as a whole.

A better model to observe is taxi cabs. Notice that most of them are using the Toyota Prius? This is because these vehicles excel in city driving. They are at their best in city stop-and-go traffic so they make great sense there.

A full EV (no engine) is a great choice for people who's daily range is within its capabilities. It's not carrying the dead weight of an unused engine like a hybrid would. It's the most efficient choice possible.

Why would you want to dissuade anyone from driving an EV? Do you have a death-wish for the human race? Are you channeling Mel Gibson?

[Yonadav]

I would like to point out that I didn't discuss depreciation as a monetary cost of ownership issue, but as a carbon footprint issue. For example, let's say that the manufacturing footprint of a gasoline subcompact and an EV are roughly equal. Let's say the EV depreciates at twice the rate of the gasoline subcompact. Then the EV has twice the manufacturing footprint.

Let's say monkeys fly out of my butt.  Free transportation amirite?

You claim much and demonstrate little.

Depreciation has fuck all to do with it.   What you're actually claiming is that EVs last half as long -and- that they have the same manufacturing carbon footprint.

Why are you ignoring the operational carbon footprint?

It's a discussion. I'm not debating anything. I'm not trying to win an argument. We're just talking. So relax.

I am not ignoring the operational carbon footprint.  I was making a point about the manufacturing footprint (which is routinely ignored).

[Jackalope]

Something else to connsider. 20 or 30 year old cars are commonplace. Parts are available foor even 30, 40 and 50 year old gas powered vehicles.

Ever try to fix 30 year old electronics?

I' m willing to bet that in 30 years the only current mannufactured EVs you will see will be in museums.

I can count the number of 20+ year old cars I've owned with the fingers of one hand after a horrible industrial accident.

[Yonadav]

Something else to connsider. 20 or 30 year old cars are commonplace. Parts are available foor even 30, 40 and 50 year old gas powered vehicles.

Ever try to fix 30 year old electronics?

I' m willing to bet that in 30 years the only current mannufactured EVs you will see will be in museums.

I can count the number of 20+ year old cars I've owned with the fingers of one hand after a horrible industrial accident.

That's it. The jig is up. You have to change Dope Smoking Hippie to Dope Smoking Hipster.

[Fireball]

As always - when you want to see what works best - look at what the cops are driving....

V-8s and RWD still rule the road...

You can't outrun Motorola. I've seen pursuits here in California that last for hours, though. NB- I don't watch the whole thing. Some people do. In fact, I just generally leave the room if a pursuit is in progress. The inane reporting and re-plays of prior stupid acts by the perp is just dross, afaiac.

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As always - when you want to see what works best - look at what the cops are driving....

V-8s and RWD still rule the road...

Yeah, that's brilliant.

The police will select what works best for their particular needs. They're out driving all day (not a normal situation) so they put a premium on range. Initial purchase price is also a concern for political and budgetary reasons. Maintenance needs also dictate their choice. It needs to be compatible with their present infrastructure. In other words, what the police choose is absolutely irrelevant as their needs do not correspond in any way to the needs of the average driver or to what benefits society as a whole.

A better model to observe is taxi cabs. Notice that most of them are using the Toyota Prius? This is because these vehicles excel in city driving. They are at their best in city stop-and-go traffic so they make great sense there.

A full EV (no engine) is a great choice for people who's daily range is within its capabilities. It's not carrying the dead weight of an unused engine like a hybrid would. It's the most efficient choice possible.

Why would you want to dissuade anyone from driving an EV? Do you have a death-wish for the human race? Are you channeling Mel Gibson?

Most cabs I have ridden in were Crown Vics, though not all of them were retired police cruisers. I have also been in a Camry cab. Since I haven't taken a cab in about 11 years, things may have changed. I dunno.

I think that the real problem with EVs is that the batteries aren't really recyclable at present. All the chemistry that goes into making a rare earth battery that works in a vehicle doesn't make the stuff readily recyclable. That part is decidedly NOT green.

[Shell B]

Electric cars are the future. They are only going to get greener - especially as more and more coal plants are phased out.

What would opponents have us do? Continue to produce an ancient technology who's time has past? Idiotic.

Electric cars also have a heck of a fun factor as a result of the physical properties of induction motors. Induction motors have tremendous torque. Electric cars are capable of acceleration which will embarrass all but super sports cars. And if you have some money to spend, there's ludicrous speed.

Tesla is green, nerdy cool and bad ass.

What opponents? I don't see any opponents around here. There has been some discussion of facts concerning monetary costs, environmental costs, strengths, weaknesses, and virtue signaling of EVs. EVs probably aren't quite green, yet. They're getting there, though.

And Tesla isn't nerdy. Nissan Leafs are nerdy.

Yes, no opponents, and women can’t do math.

[Anomalocaris]

Something else to connsider. 20 or 30 year old cars are commonplace. Parts are available foor even 30, 40 and 50 year old gas powered vehicles.

Ever try to fix 30 year old electronics?

I' m willing to bet that in 30 years the only current mannufactured EVs you will see will be in museums.

Psssssss. We are trying t get rid of gas powered cars starting the the oldest, least efficient, most polluting ones first.

[The Valkyrie]

What opponents? I don't see any opponents around here. There has been some discussion of facts concerning monetary costs, environmental costs, strengths, weaknesses, and virtue signaling of EVs. EVs probably aren't quite green, yet. They're getting there, though.

And Tesla isn't nerdy. Nissan Leafs are nerdy.

Yes, no opponents, and women can’t do math.

Can't we?

Dammit!