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RE: What do you think of LGBTQ2?
February 7, 2019 at 5:45 pm
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(February 7, 2019 at 5:43 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: (February 7, 2019 at 5:37 pm)SlimePumper Wrote: Sorry I should have worded it differently. If I worded it like this would you change your answer?
What do you think of the government using the "2" in "LGBTQ2"?
Maybe it would help to think of it in terms of 'identity' instead of 'soul/spirit'. Genderfluidity entails the notion that a particular individual may not always identify with a particular gender, or always with the same gender.
I think you'd have a hard time making the case that 'LGBTQ2' is a religious appellation.
Boru
Not really, they say spirit or soul so that's what they mean, it's not an identity thing.
"Genderfluidity.." I don't believe in gender.
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RE: What do you think of LGBTQ2?
February 7, 2019 at 5:46 pm
I think governments couldn't find their own ass with both hands, a guide, and GPS!
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RE: What do you think of LGBTQ2?
February 7, 2019 at 5:46 pm
(February 7, 2019 at 5:45 pm)Losty Wrote: (February 7, 2019 at 5:42 pm)SlimePumper Wrote: I have no problem with First Nations (Humans are indigenous only to Africa) peoples using the term. My issue comes when the government uses it. There is supposed to be a separation of religion and government I'm pretty sure.
I don’t think it really has anything to do with religion tbh
Would you be able to expand on that? I'm curious how you think spirits or souls have nothing to do with religion.
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RE: What do you think of LGBTQ2?
February 7, 2019 at 5:46 pm
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....................except that it is what they mean..again, the etymology of the term is cut and dry? That people may have once (or even still) thought that sexual identity was rooted in a "soul" doesn't change what they were trying to express with it's employment.
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RE: What do you think of LGBTQ2?
February 7, 2019 at 5:48 pm
(February 7, 2019 at 5:46 pm)Gae Bolga Wrote: ....................except that it is what they mean..again, the etymology of the term is cut and dry? That people may have once (or even still) thought that sexual identity was rooted in a "soul" doesn't change what they were trying to express with it's employment.
"the etymology of the term is cut and dry? "
I don't know what etymology means nor what most of what was within that etymology means..
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RE: What do you think of LGBTQ2?
February 7, 2019 at 5:50 pm
(February 7, 2019 at 5:46 pm)SlimePumper Wrote: (February 7, 2019 at 5:45 pm)Losty Wrote: I don’t think it really has anything to do with religion tbh
Would you be able to expand on that? I'm curious how you think spirits or souls have nothing to do with religion.
Well there’s the obvious, which is that this is just a way to describe someone who identifies as two genders.
Then there’s also the fact that even some atheists believe in spirits or souls.
2 spirit is just a way to call it, though. You don’t necessarily have to believe in spirits to be 2 spirited.
I think you’re making a big thing out of something that doesn’t need to be a thing though.
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RE: What do you think of LGBTQ2?
February 7, 2019 at 5:51 pm
(February 7, 2019 at 5:46 pm)Gae Bolga Wrote: ....................except that it is what they mean..again, the etymology of the term is cut and dry? That people may have once (or even still) thought that sexual identity was rooted in a "soul" doesn't change what they were trying to express with it's employment.
"That people may have once (or even still) thought that sexual identity was rooted in a "soul" Ahhhh. I never knew that or even thought of that. I wonder if there is a good place to ask First Nations peoples specifically about this term.
My big problem with it is that the government is using the term since it's from First Nations religions. I think I will try to get some info directly from different First Nations people and depending on what they say I will either have a major problem with it after that, or no problem at all 
Thanks for the talk everyone
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RE: What do you think of LGBTQ2?
February 7, 2019 at 5:53 pm
(February 7, 2019 at 5:45 pm)SlimePumper Wrote: (February 7, 2019 at 5:43 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: Maybe it would help to think of it in terms of 'identity' instead of 'soul/spirit'. Genderfluidity entails the notion that a particular individual may not always identify with a particular gender, or always with the same gender.
I think you'd have a hard time making the case that 'LGBTQ2' is a religious appellation.
Boru
Not really, they say spirit or soul so that's what they mean, it's not an identity thing.
"Genderfluidity.." I don't believe in gender.
Ok. You don't believe in gender, souls, or spirits, so why is this an issue for you?
Boru
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RE: What do you think of LGBTQ2?
February 7, 2019 at 5:53 pm
They mean a person who is not, as we would see it, lesbian, gay, bisexual, or transgendered..but some "other" that existed in their culture.
I am the Infantry. I am my country’s strength in war, her deterrent in peace. I am the heart of the fight… wherever, whenever. I carry America’s faith and honor against her enemies. I am the Queen of Battle. I am what my country expects me to be, the best trained Soldier in the world. In the race for victory, I am swift, determined, and courageous, armed with a fierce will to win. Never will I fail my country’s trust. Always I fight on…through the foe, to the objective, to triumph overall. If necessary, I will fight to my death. By my steadfast courage, I have won more than 200 years of freedom. I yield not to weakness, to hunger, to cowardice, to fatigue, to superior odds, For I am mentally tough, physically strong, and morally straight. I forsake not, my country, my mission, my comrades, my sacred duty. I am relentless. I am always there, now and forever. I AM THE INFANTRY! FOLLOW ME!
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RE: What do you think of LGBTQ2?
February 7, 2019 at 5:54 pm
This is what happens when a handful of billionaires buy up all of the news outlets. The left was supposed to be about uniting all people against wealth accruing to the top, so that the rich wouldn't become wealthier while the poor became poorer. So the billionaires bought the news outlets and redefined the left. They convinced a bunch of credulous people that the left is all about socially liberal identity politics. The left was supposed to be socially liberal for the purpose of uniting. But the billionaires used social liberalism to promote identity politics. And now we're taking sides in a fight between those who are for and those who are against modifying an acronym to represent Native Americans who self identify as two spirited.
And then everyone wonders why lefties despise libtards.
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