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RE: Star Trek Discovery Season 2 is Good
February 12, 2019 at 4:32 pm
(February 12, 2019 at 3:23 pm)Nomad Wrote: (February 11, 2019 at 9:33 pm)Mechaghostman2 Wrote: The first season of STD really sucked. It was boring. The characters weren't interesting, the situation wasn't interesting, and the character reactions to the situation wasn't interesting. It didn't have the feeling of exploration the way the other Star Treks had, and so it didn't feel like a genuine Star Trek. The Orville felt more like Star Trek than the new actual Star Trek did. That said, season 2 has made some vast improvements. It's actually somewhat interesting, and is making me look forward to the next episode.
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What they killed off everybody but Tilly in the premier?
(February 11, 2019 at 10:22 pm)SteelCurtain Wrote: I love this show.
I've never seen other ST's except an episode or two here or there, so I didn't have many preconceptions.
I liked Season 1, but I do like season 2 much better so far.
Feckin' heathen. Watch some DS9 and you'll see good trek.
Well, there's a reason they call her "Killy" in the mirror universe.
Yeah, DS9 Trek is the best Trek.
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RE: Star Trek Discovery Season 2 is Good
February 12, 2019 at 7:48 pm
Did everybody like the fortune cookie reference in Discovery S02E01 to the original TOS pilot.
A desperate attempt at legitimizing canon. Sorry, it's a CF. But I love it anyway...
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RE: Star Trek Discovery Season 2 is Good
February 12, 2019 at 8:26 pm
Haven't seen any of Discovery season 2 yet. The only reason I've seen season one was that I found it for sale on blu-ray
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RE: Star Trek Discovery Season 2 is Good
February 12, 2019 at 10:19 pm
(February 12, 2019 at 3:23 pm)Nomad Wrote: (February 11, 2019 at 10:22 pm)SteelCurtain Wrote: I love this show.
I've never seen other ST's except an episode or two here or there, so I didn't have many preconceptions.
I liked Season 1, but I do like season 2 much better so far.
Feckin' heathen. Watch some DS9 and you'll see good trek.
I don't like the procedural stuff. I don't think I've ever seen DS9, so I'm not sure it's as procedural/less serial than TNG or TOS, but if it is, I wouldn't be into it as much.
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RE: Star Trek Discovery Season 2 is Good
February 13, 2019 at 5:45 am
Dammit, can't people just watch a show for what it is? entertainment!
This star trek is great entertainment.
It's silly as hell as a prequel to TOS, but they are trying to bring it around:
The uniforms from the Enterprise (Starfleet has a new uniform layout for each ship?? Kinda defeats the purpose)...
The hologram idiocy (Pike doesn't like holograms and they screw up starfleet ships? What about Klingon ships and their holograms?)...
The spore drive that will never again be used for ethical reasons...
Spock's adopted sister?? Why couldn't she just have been raised by some other Vulcan?? Why did it have to be Spock's father, Sarek? Just to appease fanboys? bah!
Season 1 was ok as a story arc, unlike most of other Trek series where you get one-episode stories and then things kinda reset to the same status quo.
Season 2 is going along the same path, while trying to have some sort of self-contained story in each episode.
I never understood what people see in DS9. Sure, it's alright, but there's little to no sense of the exploration part that's great about Trek. There's only politics and human/alien relationships. There are seasons dedicated to preparing for some war. Sure, sure, the socio-political commentary that was the trademark of star trek was there in full and is only a bit in Discovery... For that, we get The Orville. Seth is doing a good job with this one.
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RE: Star Trek Discovery Season 2 is Good
February 13, 2019 at 6:30 am
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(February 13, 2019 at 5:45 am)pocaracas Wrote: Dammit, can't people just watch a show for what it is? entertainment!
This star trek is great entertainment.
It's silly as hell as a prequel to TOS, but they are trying to bring it around:
The uniforms from the Enterprise (Starfleet has a new uniform layout for each ship?? Kinda defeats the purpose)...
The hologram idiocy (Pike doesn't like holograms and they screw up starfleet ships? What about Klingon ships and their holograms?)...
The spore drive that will never again be used for ethical reasons...
Spock's adopted sister?? Why couldn't she just have been raised by some other Vulcan?? Why did it have to be Spock's father, Sarek? Just to appease fanboys? bah!
Season 1 was ok as a story arc, unlike most of other Trek series where you get one-episode stories and then things kinda reset to the same status quo.
Season 2 is going along the same path, while trying to have some sort of self-contained story in each episode.
I never understood what people see in DS9. Sure, it's alright, but there's little to no sense of the exploration part that's great about Trek. There's only politics and human/alien relationships. There are seasons dedicated to preparing for some war. Sure, sure, the socio-political commentary that was the trademark of star trek was there in full and is only a bit in Discovery... For that, we get The Orville. Seth is doing a good job with this one.
DS9 had some serializing, and some exploration, but the characters, the war, etc. were fantastic. No villain in sci-fi or fantasy is as good as Gul Dukat, just sayin'. It's rare that you get a villain that seems like a real person. That you can not only sympathize with, but almost side with because the lines between good and bad become so blurred with his character... until the over the top end of it. Plus space Jesus was a little annoying, lol. TNG is a series where everything is almost perfect, the characters are perfect, they perform their duties perfectly, etc. It's a utopia in space. DS9 on the other hand is a series where things are darker, more bleak, and where we see the characters act the most human. DS9 isn't really a naval drama with exploration at the helm like the others, but it's just as good for other reasons. STD on the other hand, at least in the first season, didn't give the exploration factor, and it didn't do a very decent job handling the Klingon war. Season 2 however is doing a decent job with the exploration stuff.
The Orville is awesome. Seth MacFarlane has worked on Star Trek Enterprise, so he knows a little about what makes Star Trek tick. Plus adding the comedy element gives such a show an incredibly fresh feeling, instead of feeling like a rehash of TNG or something.
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RE: Star Trek Discovery Season 2 is Good
February 13, 2019 at 8:37 am
(February 12, 2019 at 1:34 pm)Fake Messiah Wrote: Angels in Star Trek?!! And the way they tease us with it from one episode to another as if I give a shit.
Gene Roddenberry would not have allowed this. No wonder that back in the day he kept firing writers because they can't keep up with his vision.
Towards the end (TNG) he was firing writers because he was losing his mind.
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RE: Star Trek Discovery Season 2 is Good
February 13, 2019 at 4:10 pm
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(February 13, 2019 at 8:37 am)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: (February 12, 2019 at 1:34 pm)Fake Messiah Wrote: Angels in Star Trek?!! And the way they tease us with it from one episode to another as if I give a shit.
Gene Roddenberry would not have allowed this. No wonder that back in the day he kept firing writers because they can't keep up with his vision.
Towards the end (TNG) he was firing writers because he was losing his mind.
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But on the up-side maybe the angels are connected to the God from the movie ST:V
Maybe it's that god who is sending those angels to get him the ship especially since Spock now plays the crucial role since he is seeing them and in ST:V it is his brother Sybok who is looking fanatically for God in that movie. I mean that will finally explain his obsession with it and that is that it was part of Spock's family. And in the 2nd episode of STD crew stumbles on the church which is dedicated to many gods--just like in ST:V when that God said that he is all gods and even meta-morphed his face to prove it. So the show will have a nice tie-in with ST:V.
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RE: Star Trek Discovery Season 2 is Good
February 13, 2019 at 8:30 pm
(February 13, 2019 at 4:10 pm)Fake Messiah Wrote: (February 13, 2019 at 8:37 am)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: Towards the end (TNG) he was firing writers because he was losing his mind.
Boru
But on the up-side maybe the angels are connected to the God from the movie ST:V
Maybe it's that god who is sending those angels to get him the ship especially since Spock now plays the crucial role since he is seeing them and in ST:V it is his brother Sybok who is looking fanatically for God in that movie. I mean that will finally explain his obsession with it and that is that it was part of Spock's family. And in the 2nd episode of STD crew stumbles on the church which is dedicated to many gods--just like in ST:V when that God said that he is all gods and even meta-morphed his face to prove it. So the show will have a nice tie-in with ST:V.
Maybe it's the Q messing with people. :p
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RE: Star Trek Discovery Season 2 is Good
February 13, 2019 at 9:18 pm
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Was Q ever mentioned in TOS? More "canon" fodder!
Unless it falls under section 31. If they're going to do that, then they can break canon all they want, and it still won't break canon lol.
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