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RE: San Fran to expunge over 9000 cannabis convictions
March 4, 2019 at 9:49 am
(March 4, 2019 at 9:40 am)PRJA93 Wrote: (March 4, 2019 at 9:25 am)Yonadav Wrote: You distort the concept of having a reservation. You people are so damned "You're either 100% for things, or you're 100% against them" that it is just about impossible to have a discussion about anything with any of you. You shut down discussions.
Woah, what? What the hell is your problem? I literally just used the definition of what having a reservation is "withholding, keeping back, or applying a limiting condition to." I never said you were 100% for or against, I even said that the reservation you have may be well-founded, but that the research isn't conclusive yet. I also said that if it is an issue then we clearly need better education about cannabis use and driving. I'm not "shutting down" any discussion, I showed you why the research you cited is inconclusive, which it is and which you seemed to be willfully ignoring. If you're recognizing that it's inconclusive, then fine, no problem. As long as everyone is being honest about that.
(March 4, 2019 at 9:25 am)Yonadav Wrote: I had one reservation. It was a valid reservation. An intelligent discussion probably would entail what we think should be done about that valid reservation. Several people posted that people who are caught driving while stoned should be prosecuted. That's a rational response to my reservation.
It MAY be a valid reservation, sure. And as SEVERAL people HAVE suggested, we SHOULD prosecute people who drive impaired. No one has denied that or said anything close to denying that.
It seems YOU'RE the one who wants to shut the discussion down - THIS IS A VALID RESERVATION AND THAT'S THAT!
Well, no, that's not that. The conversation doesn't end there and people ARE allowed to challenge you on that reservation, as multiple people have. Chill the fuck out dude.
Yes, this discussion is over because you weren't able to respond to my reservation in a rational manner. You just kept denying the validity of my reservation. Other people did basically acknowledge the validity of my reservation. You might notice that I didn't argue with them.
I'm done with this discussion.
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RE: San Fran to expunge over 9000 cannabis convictions
March 4, 2019 at 10:04 am
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(March 4, 2019 at 9:49 am)Yonadav Wrote: (March 4, 2019 at 9:40 am)PRJA93 Wrote: Woah, what? What the hell is your problem? I literally just used the definition of what having a reservation is "withholding, keeping back, or applying a limiting condition to." I never said you were 100% for or against, I even said that the reservation you have may be well-founded, but that the research isn't conclusive yet. I also said that if it is an issue then we clearly need better education about cannabis use and driving. I'm not "shutting down" any discussion, I showed you why the research you cited is inconclusive, which it is and which you seemed to be willfully ignoring. If you're recognizing that it's inconclusive, then fine, no problem. As long as everyone is being honest about that.
It MAY be a valid reservation, sure. And as SEVERAL people HAVE suggested, we SHOULD prosecute people who drive impaired. No one has denied that or said anything close to denying that.
It seems YOU'RE the one who wants to shut the discussion down - THIS IS A VALID RESERVATION AND THAT'S THAT!
Well, no, that's not that. The conversation doesn't end there and people ARE allowed to challenge you on that reservation, as multiple people have. Chill the fuck out dude.
Yes, this discussion is over because you weren't able to respond to my reservation in a rational manner. You just kept denying the validity of my reservation. Other people did basically acknowledge the validity of my reservation. You might notice that I didn't argue with them.
I'm done with this discussion.
I don't really know what to say, except that you're acting like a child. I said, throughout this thread,
"It's not quite as clear-cut as you're trying to make it out to be, but it's certainly something to be considered."
"Ideally, no one would drive impaired"
"I think, with the information we have, it's, at best, safe to assume that cannabis legalization MAY cause a small increase in reported car collisions"
"it's POSSIBLE that cannabis is causing more reported car collisions"
"I think this is awesome, if they can actually do it. (this was in reference to the concept of a "breathalyzer" being developed for THC) Obviously impaired driving is not as safe and sober driving, regardless of what substance someone is using."
"This means, as others have stated, we need increased awareness and education surrounding cannabis use, especially in correlation to using a motor vehicle."
"I even said that the reservation you have may be well-founded"
The fact that you could see any of this as me trying to "shut [you] down" is totally bizarre. It seems that you simply want me to concede that cannabis makes driving more dangerous and leave it that. Well, I'm not going to do that, because that's not what the research shows. You're being more than a little childish here. I've said it before and will say it again, I understand why you may have this reservation. And if it is truly an issue, prosecute those who are guilty. NO ONE denies this or has said otherwise.
It seems YOU want to shut the discussion down, with your RESERVATION taking prevalence over any other, possibly more nuanced, opinions. So, yea. Go fuck yourself. I thought we were simply having a discussion about this, apparently you felt otherwise.
edit: You bowing out of this discussion when no one has done anything but converse with you is totally ridiculous and it's at least a little cowardly. I really think you should read over our exchange again and decide who is being irrational. I responded to you with links of my own (that were actually the links YOUR article was referring to) and gave you my interpretation of the information, in black and white, right here in this thread. How, in any world, you could interpret that as me trying to shut you down is completely behind me. You're acting childish and cowardly. Grow the fuck up.
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RE: San Fran to expunge over 9000 cannabis convictions
March 4, 2019 at 1:04 pm
(March 4, 2019 at 9:40 am)PRJA93 Wrote: It MAY be a valid reservation, sure. And as SEVERAL people HAVE suggested, we SHOULD prosecute people who drive impaired. No one has denied that or said anything close to denying that.
It seems YOU'RE the one who wants to shut the discussion down - THIS IS A VALID RESERVATION AND THAT'S THAT!
Well, no, that's not that. The conversation doesn't end there and people ARE allowed to challenge you on that reservation, as multiple people have. Chill the fuck out dude.
He could do with using some weed.
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RE: San Fran to expunge over 9000 cannabis convictions
March 4, 2019 at 1:19 pm
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(March 4, 2019 at 1:04 pm)Mathilda Wrote: (March 4, 2019 at 9:40 am)PRJA93 Wrote: It MAY be a valid reservation, sure. And as SEVERAL people HAVE suggested, we SHOULD prosecute people who drive impaired. No one has denied that or said anything close to denying that.
It seems YOU'RE the one who wants to shut the discussion down - THIS IS A VALID RESERVATION AND THAT'S THAT!
Well, no, that's not that. The conversation doesn't end there and people ARE allowed to challenge you on that reservation, as multiple people have. Chill the fuck out dude.
He could do with using some weed.
Holy shit you're not kidding.
If I was being overly aggressive or "shut[ting him] down," I'd love for people to let me know so I can bring awareness to this.
It didn't seem that way to me at all... if anything, it seemed like we had a small disagreement in interpreting the research that's been done, and since I wouldn't concede that his reservations were the end-all opinion on the matter, he stormed off.
I really don't get it. I thought we were having a pretty civil discussion; apparently he feels otherwise.
Note: I'm not quoting or mentioning Yon here because he's decided to bow out of the conversation and given how sensitive he's been so far I don't want it to seem like I'm trying to rehash old shit. What the fuck ever man lol I didn't think it was that big of a deal TBH
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RE: San Fran to expunge over 9000 cannabis convictions
March 4, 2019 at 10:28 pm
As I'm in France. I don't understand some matters about American judicial system.
My question is "Expunged convictions will be destroyed or still be readable on NCIC (National Crime Information Center) or and others systems ?"
Wikipedia about NCIC : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_C...ion_Center
Official website of FBI explain what's NCIC : https://www.fbi.gov/services/cjis/ncic
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RE: San Fran to expunge over 9000 cannabis convictions
March 4, 2019 at 10:50 pm
(March 4, 2019 at 10:28 pm)viocjit Wrote: As I'm in France. I don't understand some matters about American judicial system.
My question is "Expunged convictions will be destroyed or still be readable on NCIC (National Crime Information Center) or and others systems ?"
Wikipedia about NCIC : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_C...ion_Center
Official website of FBI explain what's NCIC : https://www.fbi.gov/services/cjis/ncic
What about it?
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RE: San Fran to expunge over 9000 cannabis convictions
March 4, 2019 at 11:19 pm
(March 4, 2019 at 10:50 pm)PRJA93 Wrote: (March 4, 2019 at 10:28 pm)viocjit Wrote: As I'm in France. I don't understand some matters about American judicial system.
My question is "Expunged convictions will be destroyed or still be readable on NCIC (National Crime Information Center) or and others systems ?"
Wikipedia about NCIC : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_C...ion_Center
Official website of FBI explain what's NCIC : https://www.fbi.gov/services/cjis/ncic
What about it?
About what exactly ?
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RE: San Fran to expunge over 9000 cannabis convictions
March 4, 2019 at 11:42 pm
(March 4, 2019 at 11:19 pm)viocjit Wrote: (March 4, 2019 at 10:50 pm)PRJA93 Wrote: What about it?
About what exactly ?
lol what's your question about the quote you posted?
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RE: San Fran to expunge over 9000 cannabis convictions
March 5, 2019 at 10:23 am
(March 4, 2019 at 11:42 pm)EgoDeath Wrote: (March 4, 2019 at 11:19 pm)viocjit Wrote: About what exactly ?
lol what's your question about the quote you posted?
Original question : Expunged convictions will be destroyed or still be readable on NCIC (National Crime Information Center) or and others systems ?"
Rewriting of the question : Expunged convictions will be destroyed or someone will still be able to access these for specific reasons like someone convicted who apply for some work like lawyer , judge , police officer etc... ?
Also , I want to know if criminal records will note if a person have an expunged conviction related to cannabis.
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RE: San Fran to expunge over 9000 cannabis convictions
March 5, 2019 at 10:32 am
(March 5, 2019 at 10:23 am)viocjit Wrote: (March 4, 2019 at 11:42 pm)EgoDeath Wrote: lol what's your question about the quote you posted?
Original question : Expunged convictions will be destroyed or still be readable on NCIC (National Crime Information Center) or and others systems ?"
Rewriting of the question : Expunged convictions will be destroyed or someone will still be able to access these for specific reasons like someone convicted who apply for some work like lawyer , judge , police officer etc... ?
Also , I want to know if criminal records will note if a person have an expunged conviction related to cannabis.
Here in the US, having your record expunged is usually just for the purpose of finding employment. If a crime is expunged, future employers will not be able to see a record of your crime in your background check. However, if you get into trouble and have to stand in front of a judge, FOR ANY REASON, that judge will CERTAINLY see that you were previously arrested for cannabis possession.
Expungement does nothing to wipe the record for the law enforcement/judicial systems.
It's mainly just for finding employment - having your record expunged helps you find a job because the crime won't show up in your background check, that's it.
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