Someone I know believes in the Devil but not in Hell

[Cod]

Yeah because when you believe in imaginary entities and your imaginary entity is the goody, it makes perfect sense to imagine there is a baddy. Otherwise who would we blame for all the shit?

The concept of hasatan isn't really a 'baddy'. He's not even a particular being. He's sort of a force of nature that induces people to make choices that violate everything that they believe in. And even he is sort of disappointed when he's successful.

Tell that to the pope.

[Yonadav]

The concept of hasatan isn't really a 'baddy'. He's not even a particular being. He's sort of a force of nature that induces people to make choices that violate everything that they believe in. And even he is sort of disappointed when he's successful.

Tell that to the pope.

Why? I don't care what the pope believes. I live in a greedy consumer obsessed, celebrity and wealth worshiping culture where people absolutely believe that they can't possibly live without being constantly entertained by spending money and setting copious quantities of fossil fuels on fire constantly. I have more dangerous beliefs to contend with, than those of the pope's.

Being obsessed with the religious beliefs of others is low hanging entertainment for losers.

[Drich]

So this man I know believes the devil existsl. I did say the word devil a few times and I have a plush devil, because of this the guy thinks I will get "negative energy". I once told him I don't believe in demons and he gesticulated a circle, said that God is in the center and the devil somewhere in that circle as well. Then I lied that I believe him so that he'll leave me alone.
The same guy said he doesn't believe in Hell. He specifically stated there is no Hell, after you die, God won't judge you, you're  going to regret what you did wrong yourself.
What if someone doesn't regret their deeds? morality is subjective after all. There are evil people who don't regret hurting others. Are they gonna get away scot free? I do believe that some get scot free in real life (not in the afterlife, I don't believe in it), but I'm not claiming there is a great moral force.
I really don't get this guy. He claims the Earth is round and the people who wrote the Bible were wrong about it being flat, but God created men and evolution is wrong. He also doesn't believe that the atrocities made by God in the old Testament are literally real, but believes that there is a devil.
He already peeks and chooses what to believe, why believe in the Devil? It's not comforting. Why doesn't he just say the devil is a metaphor? Nobody else he knows is afraid of a plush devil, so why him?

Hell is not satan's realm. Hell is his punishment where he will be tormented forever. FYI that is the only being according to scripture will be tormented forever in Hell, the others that God will be consumed or obliterated by Hell. Satan does not rule over people there he is subject to it.

As far as why He believes in satan and not Hell, probably he has experienced one and not the other. He probably can not deny the devil because he met him in some form or fashion.

[Cod]

Tell that to the pope.

Why? I don't care what the pope believes. I live in a greedy consumer obsessed, celebrity and wealth worshiping culture where people absolutely believe that they can't possibly live without being constantly entertained by spending money and setting copious quantities of fossil fuels on fire constantly. I have more dangerous beliefs to contend with, than those of the pope's.

Being obsessed with the religious beliefs of others is low hanging entertainment for losers.

I'm not arsed what the pope believes either until he ties Satan into the child sex abuse scandal. Just pointing out that using an imaginary entity as an excuse in this case wasn't very clever of him, and proves that the head of the Catholic church believes we have a goody vs baddy scenario.


As for being obsessed, I'm far from it. Loser yes, obsessed no.

[Yonadav]

Why? I don't care what the pope believes. I live in a greedy consumer obsessed, celebrity and wealth worshiping culture where people absolutely believe that they can't possibly live without being constantly entertained by spending money and setting copious quantities of fossil fuels on fire constantly. I have more dangerous beliefs to contend with, than those of the pope's.

Being obsessed with the religious beliefs of others is low hanging entertainment for losers.

I'm not arsed what the pope believes either until he ties Satan into the child sex abuse scandal. Just pointing out that using an imaginary entity as an excuse in this case wasn't very clever of him, and proves that the head of the Catholic church believes we have a goody vs baddy scenario.


As for being obsessed, I'm far from it. Loser yes, obsessed no.

Fair enough. My comment about obsession with the beliefs of others was more of a general statement, and wasn't aimed at you in particular. We have a few here who seem to think about nothing but the beliefs of other people all day, every day, for years on end.

[Mister Agenda]

You've done a fair job of giving that impression yourself, since you've got here.

[Brian37]

I don't care about any claim of any concept of the afterlife, no matter what part of the globe it is coming from or what religion is claiming it.

Jew or Christian or Muslim or Buddhist or Hindu or Sikh or Rasta.... ect ect ect..... It is hard for me to buy into the claims of antiquity knowing how old our universe is, and how fragile life is knowing I wasn't alive 13.8 billion years ago. Why should I be frightened of life 5 billion years from now knowing I did not exist 13.8 billion years ago?

The worst event I have personally witnessed in my life was watching my late mother take her last breath. I never want to see that again. 

She was in a nursing home, and weeks prior made a final decision to not do anything more. That last day, the last two hours of her life were horrifying to watch. The last minutes unfortunately were like if one were to step on a daddy long legs spider, and see the legs twitch. My mom died in peace, but I could tell in the last moments that her brain had died, and her lips twitching in her last moments, gasping, I knew it was merely the last vestiges of neurons sending signals in desperation with her lips perking as if to attempt to draw in breath. 

I was even warned a hour our so prior to her death, by the nurse, when I asked about the "death rattle" if there was something they could do to mitigate that. That nurse's response, was blunt, but true, "It won't be much longer". That nurse was not saying that because she wanted to hurt me, she was simply stating the truth. I didn't want to face it then, but even then, when she said that, I knew she was right, no matter how much it hurt me at the time.

[Der/die AtheistIn]

I don't care about any claim of any concept of the afterlife, no matter what part of the globe it is coming from or what religion is claiming it.

Jew or Christian or Muslim or Buddhist or Hindu or Sikh or Rasta.... ect ect ect..... It is hard for me to buy into the claims of antiquity knowing how old our universe is, and how fragile life is knowing I wasn't alive 13.8 billion years ago. Why should I be frightened of life 5 billion years from now knowing I did not exist 13.8 billion years ago?

The worst event I have personally witnessed in my life was watching my late mother take her last breath. I never want to see that again. 

She was in a nursing home, and weeks prior made a final decision to not do anything more. That last day, the last two hours of her life were horrifying to watch. The last minutes unfortunately were like if one were to step on a daddy long legs spider, and see the legs twitch. My mom died in peace, but I could tell in the last moments that her brain had died, and her lips twitching in her last moments, gasping, I knew it was merely the last vestiges of neurons sending signals in desperation with her lips perking as if to attempt to draw in breath. 

I was even warned a hour our so prior to her death, by the nurse, when I asked about the "death rattle" if there was something they could do to mitigate that. That nurse's response, was blunt, but true, "It won't be much longer". That nurse was not saying that because she wanted to hurt me, she was simply stating the truth. I didn't want to face it then, but even then, when she said that, I knew she was right, no matter how much it hurt me at the time.

My sincere condolences.

[Mr.Obvious]

My gf believes in Some form of heaven, but not god.

[The Valkyrie]

Someone who has posted here thinks "real" atheists believe in god.

There are morons everywhere.