Active shooter in NZ

[The Valkyrie]

1-It ceases and stops reasons for revenge (the victim's family/people will have no justifiable reason to keep on killing to "avenge the fallen".

But capital punishment itself is an act of revenge.  It must be, as it serves no other purpose.

 

2-It is very just to treat an eye for an eye.

Then why don't we punish thieves by stealing from them, or arsonists by setting their homes on fire?

 

3-Society -with its rich and poor- will think twice -if not thrice- before the commit of murder

Really?  They haven't done that so far.  If you have evidence that capital punishment is a deterrent, do please trot it out.

 

4-Instead of assuming scenarios, let's upgrade our crime detection methods and find new ways to identify the real killer.

Well, I'm all for catching the guilty, but I'm not sure what point you're trying to make.
Boru

2. You're full of great ideas today.

[EgoDeath]

This racist piece of shit took the lives of 49 people and you're asking why he deserves to die?

Oh wow. Another testament to the fact that some conversations are not worth having here.

 
@EgoDeath;

Your response is an ad hominem attack, not an argument. Only relevant if you want to retain your currently high level of credibility (at least with me) 

I don't think it is. I'm not attacking anyone's credibility. I'm willing enough to accept that different people value different things on sometimes very fundamental levels. That being said, if you can't see why someone who killed 49 people deserves to die, the argument isn't worth addressing. Me explaining to you why I believe someone who killed 49 people should die will likely never convince you to think otherwise, nor will it lead to any interesting revelations for either of us... it will only make us go back and forth for a few pages before one of us bows out of the conversation. And I'm sorry, it's just not energy I feel like wasting today.

Everyone on this forum likes to act like they're here to have nuanced, intellectual discussions, but they're mostly not. I've mostly found that people just want to prove to you how right they are and how wrong you are. There are some exceptions though, and those are usually the people I enjoy discussing things with, whether we happen to agree on an issue or not.

The difference is, I don't care. Saying "it's just revenge" doesn't make any difference to me. Some people deserve to die. If it was up to me, anyone who committed crimes against children would be killed too.

[Rev. Rye]

Just had a look at his manifesto:

“the invaders must be removed from European soil, regardless from where they came or when they came. Roma, African, Indian, Turkish, Semitic or other. If they are not of our people, but live in our lands, they must be removed.”

Okay, then what the fuck are you doing in New Zealand? Leave it to the Maori who were there before you. If you're going to be consistent in any way, anyway.

[The Valkyrie]

Just had a look at his manifesto:

“the invaders must be removed from European soil, regardless from where they came or when they came. Roma, African, Indian, Turkish, Semitic or other. If they are not of our people, but live in our lands, they must be removed.”

Okay, then what the fuck are you doing in New Zealand? Leave it to the Maori who were there before you. If you're going to be consistent in any way, anyway.

Not to mention the Europeans can fuck off back to Europe. Wait, that's not how it works?

[Peebothuhlu]

At work.

The fekker's got just as little call back in Oz.

I'm sure the natives there would be just as perplexed and p!ssed off.

I hope they revoke his passport and leave him without any place to even call home.

[robvalue]

Some of you may be aware of the increasing agenda of censorship that is incoming (or censorship-in-effect). This is a video I was watching yesterday which discusses some suspicious aspects surrounding this awful event, and it’s already been made almost impossible to find on YouTube. There’s clearly way more going on than the mainstream press want you to know about, so I recommend checking this video out before it gets scrubbed completely.

This does not contain any gore, nothing remotely disturbing, it’s simply a guy discussing the manifesto this shooter supposedly wrote. As you’ll see, the probability he actually wrote it alone as claimed is very low, and it points to some sort of organisation being involved.

[The Grand Nudger]

Videos down, but I'm not entirely sure what we'd be discussing?  There are alot of things in there that are the product of a community, you could call them inside jokes I suppose.

[The Valkyrie]

As soon as I see the term "false flag" applied to anything like the slaughter in Christchurch I immediately question the integrity, the credibility, and the intelligence of those making the claim.

[Deesse23]

[Duty]

Some of you may be aware of the increasing agenda of censorship that is incoming (or censorship-in-effect). This is a video I was watching yesterday which discusses some suspicious aspects surrounding this awful event, and it’s already been made almost impossible to find on YouTube. There’s clearly way more going on than the mainstream press want you to know about, so I recommend checking this video out before it gets scrubbed completely.

This does not contain any gore, nothing remotely disturbing, it’s simply a guy discussing the manifesto this shooter supposedly wrote. As you’ll see, the probability he actually wrote it alone as claimed is very low, and it points to some sort of organisation being involved.

I watched the first 13 mins then gave up any hope of learning anything. Basically some right wing hater of all things of the left, who sounds like a teenager making at best very tenuous "deductions" which might lend a shred of support to the idea that this was a false flag atrocity. Hopefully he'll remember to put on his tinfoil hat when he has his snooze after his next joint.