I Don't Care

[Nay_Sayer]

The rules are only for an entitled clique of people to use against others.

If you hate the forum so much, why are you still here?

If they left how would they come back to have dramatic exits?

Wanna share a ham sandwich while we make idols for each other on the Shabbat after some yard work?

[Yonadav]

The shit's getting deep around here. Mathilda keeps insisting that being a transsexual is about the clothes that you wear. She is truly mystified by the fact that a transsexual is a transsexual regardless of the clothes that they wear. I stopped being a transsexual when I put on men's clothing? A transsexual is a transsexual regardless of what role they are playing.

I called having intimate relations with a person who doesn't know that we are transsexual date rape because that is how so many would perceive it. How would I feel if I had sex with a man who later found out that I was born male, feels traumitized by having unknowingly been intimate with a transsexual, and says that he feels that I sort of raped him? I would feel horrible. It doesn't matter that I don't think that it was rape. It matters that he thinks that it was rape. Am I supposed to ridicule him about his feelings of having been violated? If I expect my perspective that I am inherently female to be respected, don't I also have an obligation to respect the perspectives of others? "I would never willingly have sexual relations with a transsexual because I don't accept that they are really women to the extent of being willing to have sexual relations with them" is a valid perspective. I respect that perspective, and I make sure not to violate it. If I demand that people be willing to have sex with me without knowing that I am a transsexual, then I am making a sexual demand on them. And what is rape but a sexual demand?

Mathilda, if you really think that people don't have any right to feel violated by a transsexual that they would not have willingly engaged in sexual relations with, then you don't have any right to complain about things that you feel violated by.

[I_am_not_mafia]

The shit's getting deep around here. Mathilda keeps insisting that being a transsexual is about the clothes that you wear. She is truly mystified by the fact that a transsexual is a transsexual regardless of the clothes that they wear. I stopped being a transsexual when I put on men's clothing? A transsexual is a transsexual regardless of what role they are playing.

You absolute troll. Now you are blatantly and deliberately strawmanning. Or are you just too thick to understand what I said?

Successfully living as the gender that you identify as makes you less transsexual.

Detransitioning makes you more transsexual.

Mathilda, if you really think that people don't have any right to feel violated by a transsexual that they would not have willingly engaged in sexual relations with, then you don't have any right to complain about things that you feel violated by.

He didn't tell me he had a wife and two kids. Is that date-rape?

Anyway, where did I ever say people do not have a right to be violated? And who said I complained about being violated? It's a fact of life. I expect it and deal with it.

You're just the worst troll. This must be deliberate.

[Yonadav]

The shit's getting deep around here. Mathilda keeps insisting that being a transsexual is about the clothes that you wear. She is truly mystified by the fact that a transsexual is a transsexual regardless of the clothes that they wear. I stopped being a transsexual when I put on men's clothing? A transsexual is a transsexual regardless of what role they are playing.

You absolute troll. Now you are blatantly and deliberately strawmanning. Or are you just too thick to understand what I said?

Successfully living as the gender that you identify as makes you less transsexual.

Detransitioning makes you more transsexual.

Mathilda, if you really think that people don't have any right to feel violated by a transsexual that they would not have willingly engaged in sexual relations with, then you don't have any right to complain about things that you feel violated by.

He didn't tell me he had a wife and two kids. Is that date-rape? Anyway, who said I complained about being violated? It's a fact of life. I expect it and deal with it.

Yonadav: I'm trying to have a discussion with you.
Mathilda: You absolute troll!

But seriously, Mathilda. I'm not stawmanning anything. You keep using bogus terminology to strawman me. There is no 'detransitioning'. There is no such thing as 'more transsexual' or 'less transsexual'. You're using bunk terms. A transsexual is a transsexual. It doesn't matter what clothes they wear. It doesn't matter which pronouns they go by.

[I_am_not_mafia]

A transsexual is a transsexual. It doesn't matter what clothes they wear. It doesn't matter which pronouns they go by.

What does it mean to be transsexual?

If my brain is female and my body feels female, looks female, works as a female as much as it can, then why aren't I just ... female?

And if so, yeah there is still residual gender dysphoria, but not much worse than other women feel about how big their bum looks in a dress.

Do I even think of myself as transsexual anymore? It's not such a big part of my life any more. It was never an identity. I am so much more than just a transsexual.

That is what I meant by less transsexual. I could have phrased it better but I didn't want to use too many long words with you.

[Yonadav]

A transsexual is a transsexual. It doesn't matter what clothes they wear. It doesn't matter which pronouns they go by.

What does it mean to be transsexual?

If my brain is female and my body feels female, looks female, works as a female as much as it can, then why aren't I just ... female?

And if so, yeah there is still residual gender dysphoria, but not much worse than other women feel about how big their bum looks in a dress.

Do I even think of myself as transsexual anymore? It's not such a big part of my life any more. It was never an identity. I am so much more than just a transsexual.

That is what I meant by less transsexual. I could have phrased it better but I didn't want to use too many long words with you.

And there's a lot of personal truths there, right? Why should anyone respect your personal truth if you don't respect theirs? If there are a lot of people who would feel violated by unknowingly being intimate with a transsexual, who are we to deny the validity of their feelings of having been violated?

We have no right to demand that a person believe that a transwoman is a woman just like any other woman. We have a right to demand that they treat us with respect and dignity in our day to day lives, but we don't have a right to demand that they have sex with us just like any other woman. When we don't tell them and they don't know, then we are making that demand. We don't have a right to make it. And if they later find out, then they have every right to feel violated.

[Nay_Sayer]

What does it mean to be transsexual?

If my brain is female and my body feels female, looks female, works as a female as much as it can, then why aren't I just ... female?

And if so, yeah there is still residual gender dysphoria, but not much worse than other women feel about how big their bum looks in a dress.

Do I even think of myself as transsexual anymore? It's not such a big part of my life any more. It was never an identity. I am so much more than just a transsexual.

That is what I meant by less transsexual. I could have phrased it better but I didn't want to use too many long words with you.

And there's a lot of personal truths there, right? Why should anyone respect your personal truth if you don't respect theirs? If there are a lot of people who would feel violated by unknowingly being intimate with a transsexual, who are we to deny the validity of their feelings of having been violated?

We have no right to demand that a person believe that a transwoman is a woman just like any other woman. We have a right to demand that they treat us with respect and dignity in our day to day lives, but we don't have a right to demand that they have sex with us just like any other woman. When we don't tell them and they don't know, then we are making that demand. We don't have a right to make it. And if they later find out, then they have every right to feel violated.

I don't care.

[The Grand Nudger]

Maybe people who would feel violated by unknowingly being intimate with a transsexual should keep their groping hands in their pockets until they receive positive proof of the absence of penis? Aint nobody demanding that anybody fuck anybody, troll, lol.

Just a thought.

[Shell B]

Or they could just tell me their status first so I can decide? I don’t know how I’d feel, but I do like making these decisions myself.

[Amarok]

It's nobody else's business

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And there's a lot of personal truths there, right? Why should anyone respect your personal truth if you don't respect theirs? If there are a lot of people who would feel violated by unknowingly being intimate with a transsexual, who are we to deny the validity of their feelings of having been violated?

We have no right to demand that a person believe that a transwoman is a woman just like any other woman. We have a right to demand that they treat us with respect and dignity in our day to day lives, but we don't have a right to demand that they have sex with us just like any other woman. When we don't tell them and they don't know, then we are making that demand. We don't have a right to make it. And if they later find out, then they have every right to feel violated.

It's none of their business and their feels don't matter