Ex pastor explains how Christianity is fake

[BrianSoddingBoru4]

I disagree with the thread title.  Christianity is not 'fake'.  It may be 'untrue', but it's as real as a belt in the gob.

And I think the 'ex pastor' is a troll.

Boru

[Fake Messiah]

And I think the 'ex pastor' is a troll.

Boru

In what way do you think he's a troll? He seems like a legit pastor. Even Christian news sites acknowledge him:

Dave Gass — formerly the Lead Pastor at Grace Family Fellowship, Church Planter at Journey the Way, Pastor at First Covenant Church, Pastor at Cedar Point Community Church — has taken to social media to renounce his faith.
https://reformationcharlotte.org/2019/05...d-twitter/

[Anomalocaris]

I disagree with the thread title.  Christianity is not 'fake'.  It may be 'untrue', but it's as real as a belt in the gob.

And I think the 'ex pastor' is a troll.

Boru

The difference between whether it is justified to call Christianity “fake” rather than just “untrue” would be whether the untruth of Christianity was primarily created and set on course for wider dissemination by those who knew they were untrue, or by those who didn’t know they were untrue.

I think many of those instrumental to Christianity attaining its influence knew it was untrue, so it is justified to say it is fake, not just untrue.

[BrianSoddingBoru4]

And I think the 'ex pastor' is a troll.

Boru

In what way do you think he's a troll? He seems like a legit pastor. Even Christian news sites acknowledge him:

Dave Gass — formerly the Lead Pastor at Grace Family Fellowship, Church Planter at Journey the Way, Pastor at First Covenant Church, Pastor at Cedar Point Community Church — has taken to social media to renounce his faith.
https://reformationcharlotte.org/2019/05...d-twitter/

Just a feeling.  His I-am-no-longer-a-Christian thing comes off as insincere.  I could be wrong, though.

Boru

[BrianSoddingBoru4]

I disagree with the thread title.  Christianity is not 'fake'.  It may be 'untrue', but it's as real as a belt in the gob.

And I think the 'ex pastor' is a troll.

Boru

The difference between whether it is justified to call Christianity “fake” rather than just “untrue” would be whether the untruth of Christianity was primarily created and set on course for wider dissemination by those who knew they were untrue, or by those who didn’t know they were untrue.

I think many of those instrumental to Christianity attaining its influence knew it was untrue, so it is justified to say it is fake, not just untrue.

I don't see that as necessarily true, given the number of believers who are obviously sincere.  Christianity is a set of beliefs, which makes it as real as socialism or veganism or environmentalism.

Boru

[tackattack]

I never said unshake-able faith was a requirement to be a true believer. I never said that questioning your faith means you not a "true Christian". I'm actually on the opposite side of both of those statements so please don't put words in my mouth. My overall point if you'll go back and read was the lack of empathy for this man's trashed life. If you want to argue why it was trashed it's because, as I think we can all agree on, he was deluding himself. That's exactly what it means when you profess to "fake it till you make it". And yes True Christians do call that not being a Christian, so do atheists, Buddhists, Muslims, etc. As for the Anti-thesits in the thread that continuously use any chance they can to correlate Christianity with unreasonable and delusional beliefs and that we're constantly lying and illogical, FFS at least have some compassion for your now fellow atheist. I'll leave off my comment about the morality of the atheists the OP found and those. I'll leave this to to the rant section.

[Anomalocaris]

The difference between whether it is justified to call Christianity “fake” rather than just “untrue” would be whether the untruth of Christianity was primarily created and set on course for wider dissemination by those who knew they were untrue, or by those who didn’t know they were untrue.

I think many of those instrumental to Christianity attaining its influence knew it was untrue, so it is justified to say it is fake, not just untrue.

I don't see that as necessarily true, given the number of believers who are obviously sincere.  Christianity is a set of beliefs, which makes it as real as socialism or veganism or environmentalism.

Boru

The number of sincere believers is large.   But there were probably a limited set of supposed occurrences that were instrumental for Christianity gaining critical mass at various stages.  I strongly suspect high percentage of those occurrences were fakes and fabrications, not just the product of genuine wishful thinking.

[tackattack]

I don't see that as necessarily true, given the number of believers who are obviously sincere.  Christianity is a set of beliefs, which makes it as real as socialism or veganism or environmentalism.

Boru

The number of sincere believers is large.   But there were probably a limited set of supposed occurrences that were instrumental for Christianity gaining critical mass at various stages.  I strongly suspect high percentage of those occurrences were fakes and fabrications, not just the product of genuine wishful thinking.

Without new occurrences then it would entropy and you have nothing to worry about, which statistically seems to be the trend.

[Anomalocaris]

The number of sincere believers is large.   But there were probably a limited set of supposed occurrences that were instrumental for Christianity gaining critical mass at various stages.  I strongly suspect high percentage of those occurrences were fakes and fabrications, not just the product of genuine wishful thinking.

Without new occurrences then it would entropy and you have nothing to worry about, which statistically seems to be the trend.

New occurrences can be fabricated at any time,  which is what kept Christianity going all this time, and fakers who benefit a lot if not caught, but punished very little if caught,  will undoubtedly remain as unflagging as before in the endeavor to perpetuate this con.

[BrianSoddingBoru4]

I don't see that as necessarily true, given the number of believers who are obviously sincere.  Christianity is a set of beliefs, which makes it as real as socialism or veganism or environmentalism.

Boru

The number of sincere believers is large.   But there were probably a limited set of supposed occurrences that were instrumental for Christianity gaining critical mass at various stages.  I strongly suspect high percentage of those occurrences were fakes and fabrications, not just the product of genuine wishful thinking.

But it doesn't much matter if the occurrences were genuine, fakes, or wishful thinking.  A belief based on fakes and ponied-up 'miracles' is still a real belief.

Boru