Biden isn't going down

[GrandizerII]

Biden may be racist, but Trump is worse as a human being.

And it's not like many of us haven't harbored racist attitudes and thoughts in our past or current lives. We're not clean either, so let's not pretend it's only the people we disapprove of that have issues with prejudice.

Ugghhh. No, Biden is not racist. Will you Dems please stop eating your own? This is how you end up reelecting Trump.

I said may. But anyway, I don't have the energy to do passionate arguments online right now. Just some questions: how are you defining racist exactly? Are you well read on the topic of racism? Familiar with the studies on overt and covert racism?

[ReptilianPeon]

Biden may be racist, but Trump is worse as a human being.

And it's not like many of us haven't harbored racist attitudes and thoughts in our past or current lives. We're not clean either, so let's not pretend it's only the people we disapprove of that have issues with prejudice.

Um no? It's very easy not to be racist. You make it sound as though it's really difficult not to be racist. Maybe for you and your god Joe it's difficult. Maybe it's because I wasn't brought up around racists? I don't know.

But let's suppose you had the ability to detect "'thought crimes' and you found one thought of mine that might be considered racist. Unlike Joe Biden, I'd hold my hands and have decency to apologise for being a racist. I would say, " I'm sorry for being racist", something Joe seems incapable of doing. Are you implying that anybody who has had a single racist thought in the past can't hold their presidential candidates to a higher standard?


Need I remind you that whilst Joe Biden was getting chummy with segregationists, Bernie Sanders was marching for civil rights protesters? Why is it other presidential candidates have the ability not be racist? I repeat: you make it sound as though not being racist is really hard. It's not.

Joe could have been marching for civil rights too, but instead he chose to align himself with racists. If Joe was in the Republican Party (where he should be. For example, Obamacare was originally a Republican idea don't forget) you'd have no issues with people calling him racist I'm sure. I'd rather not see 2020 be a contest between two dotards.

[GrandizerII]

Biden may be racist, but Trump is worse as a human being.

And it's not like many of us haven't harbored racist attitudes and thoughts in our past or current lives. We're not clean either, so let's not pretend it's only the people we disapprove of that have issues with prejudice.

Um no? It's very easy not to be racist. You make it sound as though it's really difficult not to be racist. Maybe for you and your god Joe it's difficult. Maybe it's because I wasn't brought up around racists? I don't know.

But let's suppose you had the ability to detect "'thought crimes' and you found one thought of mine that might be considered racist. Unlike Joe Biden, I'd hold my hands and have decency to apologise for being a racist. I would say, " I'm sorry for being racist", something Joe seems incapable of doing. Are you implying that anybody who has had a single racist thought in the past can't hold their presidential candidates to a higher standard?


Need I remind you that whilst Joe Biden was getting chummy with segregationists, Bernie Sanders was marching for civil rights protesters? Why is it other presidential candidates have the ability not be racist? I repeat: you make it sound as though not being racist is really hard. It's not.

Joe could have been marching for civil rights too, but instead he chose to align himself with racists. If Joe was in the Republican Party (where he should be. For example, Obamacare was originally a Republican idea don't forget) you'd have no issues with people calling him racist I'm sure. I'd rather not see 2020 be a contest between two dotards.

What the fuck was that about Biden being my god? Where do you get this shit, lol. I don't like him and do suspect he may be racist based on remarks he's made. But as Thena said, that's a problem with politicians in general.

Again, studies show that racism covertly permeates the whole of society and is not just situated in a select few individuals that we can point at and say "see this guy is a racist and I'm not". Time for some honest self reflection maybe?

[ReptilianPeon]

Some candidates in the Democratic primary chose praise segregationists. Others in the Democratic primary have not praised segregationists. For somebody who claims not to like Joe Biden you seem to be making a lot of excusing for him. Either one likes segregationists or they do not. Not that difficult.

[GrandizerII]

Some candidates in the Democratic primary chose praise segregationists. Others in the Democratic primary have not praised segregationists. For somebody who claims not to like Joe Biden you seem to be making a lot of excusing for him. Either one likes segregationists or they do not. Not that difficult.

I don't like him, but let's be real. Bernie has no chance, and Biden still remains a better choice than Trump. It's up to you how you want to vote, though.

[ReptilianPeon]

You do realise that at one point Biden was above 40% in the polls? He's now hovering around 30% in the Democratic primary polls. He's dropped over ten points in the polling since announcing.

You look at the New Hampshire polls Bernie Sander is within 3% of Joe Biden. Iowa too, Bernie Sander is a close second place; thing ten point. There are still many months until the first primary votes and that's plenty of time for Joe to make plenty more gaffes. That's why his campaign don't want him speaking in public. Elizabeth Warren is close behind Bernie Sanders in both states.

[GrandizerII]

You do realise that at one point Biden was above 40% in the polls? He's now hovering around 30% in the Democratic primary polls. He's dropped over ten points in the polling since announcing.

You look at the New Hampshire polls Bernie Sander is within 3% of Joe Biden. Iowa too, Bernie Sander is a close second place; thing ten point. There are still many months until the first primary votes and that's plenty of time for Joe to make plenty more gaffes. That's why his campaign don't want him speaking in public. Elizabeth Warren is close behind Bernie Sanders in both states.

Bernie should be just as high as Biden; he isn't.

And he's doing poorly in Iowa. That's not a good sign at all.

[ReptilianPeon]

What you appear to be forgetting is that the "progressive vote" is split between more than one candidate this time (it's the most crowded Democratic field there ever been). As more people drop out, people become more engaged with the 2020 race and the name renegotiation of candidates who aren't Joe Biden goes up you will see the poll numbers shift dramatically. An Economist/YouGov Poll came out yesterday actually, that had Joe Biden up nationally by just 3%. Combined, the progressives are polling at a greater percentages than Joe Biden. I reckon we could be seeing deals done for delegates at the convention given the crowded nature of the field.

I would also urge you to look at the polling for the 2008 Democratic primaries. Obama didn't start beating Hilary in the polling average until February of 2008. We all know who the nominee was. Hopefully this time the DNC won't be as corrupt in tipping the scales in favour of one candidate as they did in 2016.

[GrandizerII]

Obama was a newcomer at the time (electorally speaking), Bernie isn't. Bernie has high name recognition, and he does poorly in the polls regardless.

[ReptilianPeon]

You seem to have conveniently missed out the part where I said: "the "progressive vote" is split between more than one candidate this time". Progressives don't need to default to Bernie Sanders this time around. They have options, thus splitting the progressive polling percentages between several candidates. I envision there will be deals made for delegates at the Democratic Convention.

If we were to suppose that both Bernie Sanders and Elizabeth Warren both have a substantial number of delegates by the time of the Democratic Convention (as the polling indicates they will do), I could definitely see a deal being made where they team up to defeat a far-right candidate like Joe Biden in the delegate count. Combined, there is more support for "the progressive wing" than there is for Joe Biden. You act as those there won't be any deal made.

My favourite candidate might actually be Tulsi Gabbard because of how anti-war she is. With her as president the American occupiers may finally leave my country. Whenever a US president visits it feels like a dictator visits one of their colonies.