I'm more of a philosopher than a scientist, but I'm taking what I understand from science and I'm philosophizing. If energy and matter cannot be created or destroyed, that means that they share an intrinsic quality with God. They have always existed with no beginning, and they will continue to exist into infinity. Those are qualities are also given to God. Could this match up in any way with a pantheistic understanding of the universe? If I use science as a basis for my understanding, there couldn't have been an occasion when nothing existed, so energy and matter could not have been created.
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God, Energy and Matter
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Always remember - humans made up those laws - and while they do seem valid - it is something we made up. It didn't come in the universe's owner's manual.
Much like that God fella....  (August 21, 2019 at 9:31 pm)Lek Wrote: I'm more of a philosopher than a scientist, but I'm taking what I understand from science and I'm philosophizing. If energy and matter cannot be created or destroyed, that means that they share an intrinsic quality with God. They have always existed with no beginning, and they will continue to exist into infinity. Those are qualities are also given to God. Could this match up in any way with a pantheistic understanding of the universe? If I use science as a basis for my understanding, there couldn't have been an occasion when nothing existed, so energy and matter could not have been created. Sure, but this would be a far departure from fundamentalist Christianity.  RE: God, Energy and Matter
August 21, 2019 at 9:49 pm
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(August 21, 2019 at 9:36 pm)Grandizer Wrote:(August 21, 2019 at 9:31 pm)Lek Wrote: I'm more of a philosopher than a scientist, but I'm taking what I understand from science and I'm philosophizing. If energy and matter cannot be created or destroyed, that means that they share an intrinsic quality with God. They have always existed with no beginning, and they will continue to exist into infinity. Those are qualities are also given to God. Could this match up in any way with a pantheistic understanding of the universe? If I use science as a basis for my understanding, there couldn't have been an occasion when nothing existed, so energy and matter could not have been created. Yes it would. (August 21, 2019 at 9:35 pm)onlinebiker Wrote: Always remember - humans made up those laws - and while they do seem valid - it is something we made up. It didn't come in the universe's owner's manual. That means we can't rely on science for the truth, since humans made up the laws. They could be wrong.  RE: God, Energy and Matter
August 21, 2019 at 9:56 pm
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Hi Lek, haven't seen you in a while.
God is a man made concept only, energy and matter are not a concept, they actually exist. You can't rationally combine the three.
Being told you're delusional does not necessarily mean you're mental.
(August 21, 2019 at 9:56 pm)wyzas Wrote: Hi Lek, haven't seen you in a while. Yeah. I've been on quite a spiritual journey for the last couple years. So do you think it is possible for energy and matter to be infinitely existent? 
The energy would always exist, but matter can come and go.
You could think of it like water. As the environment changes, water in it's gaseous form slows down and becomes a liquid. As the environment changes even more, it can become ice. In a closed system, energy has no where to go, so it must persist.
Insanity - Doing the same thing over and over again, expecting a different result
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August 22, 2019 at 12:11 am
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(August 21, 2019 at 9:31 pm)Lek Wrote: I'm more of a philosopher than a scientist, but I'm taking what I understand from science and I'm philosophizing. If energy and matter cannot be created or destroyed, that means that they share an intrinsic quality with God. They have always existed with no beginning, and they will continue to exist into infinity. Those are qualities are also given to God. Could this match up in any way with a pantheistic understanding of the universe? If I use science as a basis for my understanding, there couldn't have been an occasion when nothing existed, so energy and matter could not have been created. If there couldn’t have been an occasion when nothing existed, and matter itself has always existed, then god is completely unnecessary.
Nay_Sayer: “Nothing is impossible if you dream big enough, or in this case, nothing is impossible if you use a barrel of KY Jelly and a miniature horse.”
Wiser words were never spoken.
According to pantheism the universe is God. God became the universe.
(August 21, 2019 at 9:49 pm)Lek Wrote:Truth is a greased pig.(August 21, 2019 at 9:36 pm)Grandizer Wrote: Sure, but this would be a far departure from fundamentalist Christianity. Hard to capture and usually heading in a direction you hadn't quite expected. |
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