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RE: Is it ever physically possible for a broken egg to reassemble into an unbroken one?
June 7, 2020 at 11:49 pm
(September 18, 2019 at 11:07 am)Grandizer Wrote: The conventional answer is that it would never happen. But couldn't it be the case that, while it would be extremely unlikely for a broken egg to be spontaneously reassembled into an unbroken egg, there's still nevertheless this very tiny tinge of possibility that this can happen (maybe a 1 out of a googolplex probability)?
The overall entropy may be increasing, but I don't see why the atoms that constitute a broken egg couldn't, by sheer coincidence, collect together in a way that the arrangement now constitutes an unbroken egg?
There's no actual physical law against it but if we assume purely random interactions of the component egg fragments and their environment then the odds of this ever happening are so small as to be effectively impossible.
That said, purely random interactions of the components isn't a reasonable assumption and a proper examination of the probability space shows that the number of philosophers, physicists, and general contrarians involved in causality research virtually guarantees the unbreaking of an egg if it hasn't already happened.
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RE: Is it ever physically possible for a broken egg to reassemble into an unbroken one?
June 8, 2020 at 8:10 am
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(June 7, 2020 at 11:49 pm)Paleophyte Wrote: (September 18, 2019 at 11:07 am)Grandizer Wrote: The conventional answer is that it would never happen. But couldn't it be the case that, while it would be extremely unlikely for a broken egg to be spontaneously reassembled into an unbroken egg, there's still nevertheless this very tiny tinge of possibility that this can happen (maybe a 1 out of a googolplex probability)?
The overall entropy may be increasing, but I don't see why the atoms that constitute a broken egg couldn't, by sheer coincidence, collect together in a way that the arrangement now constitutes an unbroken egg?
There's no actual physical law against it but if we assume purely random interactions of the component egg fragments and their environment then the odds of this ever happening are so small as to be effectively impossible.
That said, purely random interactions of the components isn't a reasonable assumption and a proper examination of the probability space shows that the number of philosophers, physicists, and general contrarians involved in causality research virtually guarantees the unbreaking of an egg if it hasn't already happened.
And if the probability is 1 in a googolplex, we don't *expect* to see actual examples in the current age of the universe (very far from it). But the probability is still non-zero.
If every fundamental particle in the universe was doing addition every Plank's time, the total computed since the Big Bang would be less than 10^135. This is *far, far, far* less than a googolplex.
I'll go further. If every fundamental particle added a total of a googol every Plank time, the total since the Big Bang would still be smaller than 10^235, which is still far, far, far less than a googolplex.
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RE: Is it ever physically possible for a broken egg to reassemble into an unbroken one?
June 8, 2020 at 8:21 am
I'm standing there and an egg I just cracked accidentally reforms itself.
'Always a chance that could happen', I say to meself and carry on about me day.
In reality I'd say, 'well fuck me, god is real after all'. :-)
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RE: Is it ever physically possible for a broken egg to reassemble into an unbroken one?
June 8, 2020 at 9:26 am
(June 8, 2020 at 8:21 am)Little lunch Wrote: I'm standing there and an egg I just cracked accidentally reforms itself.
'Always a chance that could happen', I say to meself and carry on about me day.
In reality I'd say, 'well fuck me, god is real after all'. :-)
Yes, the issue then arises whether the probability of a supernatural outweighs the probability of the violation. When talking about odds this high, almost ANYTHING can go.
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RE: Is it ever physically possible for a broken egg to reassemble into an unbroken one?
June 9, 2020 at 12:42 am
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RE: Is it ever physically possible for a broken egg to reassemble into an unbroken one?
June 9, 2020 at 3:20 am
The very term “super”natural is designed evade so devastating a fate For the Underlying concept as to be evaluated by a demonstrably efficacious means of assessing its claims.
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RE: Is it ever physically possible for a broken egg to reassemble into an unbroken one?
June 9, 2020 at 1:39 pm
(June 8, 2020 at 8:10 am)polymath257 Wrote: (June 7, 2020 at 11:49 pm)Paleophyte Wrote: There's no actual physical law against it but if we assume purely random interactions of the component egg fragments and their environment then the odds of this ever happening are so small as to be effectively impossible.
That said, purely random interactions of the components isn't a reasonable assumption and a proper examination of the probability space shows that the number of philosophers, physicists, and general contrarians involved in causality research virtually guarantees the unbreaking of an egg if it hasn't already happened.
And if the probability is 1 in a googolplex, we don't *expect* to see actual examples in the current age of the universe (very far from it). But the probability is still non-zero.
If every fundamental particle in the universe was doing addition every Plank's time, the total computed since the Big Bang would be less than 10^135. This is *far, far, far* less than a googolplex.
I'll go further. If every fundamental particle added a total of a googol every Plank time, the total since the Big Bang would still be smaller than 10^235, which is still far, far, far less than a googolplex.
What do you think of ultimate reality being akin to Cantor's infinities within infinities, perhaps, our time and space being countably infinite sets within a infinitude of other countably infinite sets, across both time and space?
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RE: Is it ever physically possible for a broken egg to reassemble into an unbroken one?
June 9, 2020 at 1:44 pm
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