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Evidence for Believing
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LastPoet
 Leader of the gang of jerkoffs(tm)  Religious Views: L'Uomo verrà portato dalla sua creazione RE: Evidence for Believing
October 4, 2019 at 12:18 pm
(This post was last modified: October 4, 2019 at 12:19 pm by LastPoet.)
If I ever got cancer and it went on remission on its own, I would surely offer any help for research as to understand what happened instead of clasping hands and say miracle. My only request would be that those tests could be performed by a hot nurse in reduced uniform. Ya know, for pain relief.
 RE: Evidence for Believing
October 4, 2019 at 1:32 pm
(This post was last modified: October 4, 2019 at 3:03 pm by Anomalocaris.)
 You'd believe if you just opened your heart" is a terrible argument for religion. It's basically saying, "If you bias yourself enough, you can convince yourself that this is true." If religion were true, people wouldn't need faith to believe it -- it would be supported by good evidence.  RE: Evidence for Believing
October 4, 2019 at 2:25 pm
(This post was last modified: October 4, 2019 at 2:28 pm by GrandizerII.)
(October 4, 2019 at 7:10 am)Grandizer Wrote:(October 3, 2019 at 10:59 pm)Inqwizitor Wrote: How about the miraculous healing of Marion Carroll. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8TO7PJkzcVU Just watched the vid. I'm not going to critique Marion's experience, but one case of a spontaneous remission right after praying to God is not good evidence for God. A much better way to demonstrate God's [probable] existence would perhaps be: Having a significantly large number of cases whereby spontaneous remissions for MS occur immediately after praying to God for healing AND comparatively small number of cases whereby spontaneous remissions for MS occur but not after praying to God (sample size of attempts is large enough, of course) AND scientists aren't able to come up with any plausible naturalistic explanations
LastPoet
Leader of the gang of jerkoffs(tm) Religious Views: L'Uomo verrà portato dalla sua creazione RE: Evidence for Believing
October 4, 2019 at 2:52 pm
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RE: Evidence for Believing
October 4, 2019 at 3:40 pm
(This post was last modified: October 4, 2019 at 3:42 pm by Simon Moon.)
(October 4, 2019 at 2:25 pm)Grandizer Wrote: A much better way to demonstrate God's [probable] existence would perhaps be: Well, I am not sure how one would get from; spontaneous remissions after praying at a greater rate, to, therefore god exists. But at least there would a there, there to at least study. And the lack of a naturalistic explanation, does not in itself, give any more credence to a supernatural explanation. As of now, there is zero statistical results to look at, that are anything special. Where is the evidence that Christians or Catholics have spontaneous remissions, or 'miracle healings' at a greater rate than Jews, Muslims, Hindus or non believers? That at least would be interesting. You'd believe if you just opened your heart" is a terrible argument for religion. It's basically saying, "If you bias yourself enough, you can convince yourself that this is true." If religion were true, people wouldn't need faith to believe it -- it would be supported by good evidence. (October 4, 2019 at 3:40 pm)Simon Moon Wrote:(October 4, 2019 at 2:25 pm)Grandizer Wrote: A much better way to demonstrate God's [probable] existence would perhaps be: Yeah I agree with you it would still not conclusive evidence but it's a start. 
I understand your perspective as an ex believer, but it is mistaken.
It is hard to show you from the outside. You have to reflect about it yourself. 
The thing with sick people visiting Lourdes and other holy shrines for healing is that the numbers work against them. For instance, in this video religious claim is that out of all the millions of people visiting Lourdes for many years there has been 66 "confirmed healings", which, let's face it, doesn't make any positive impression at all.
teachings of the Bible are so muddled and self-contradictory that it was possible for Christians to happily burn heretics alive for five long centuries. It was even possible for the most venerated patriarchs of the Church, like St. Augustine and St. Thomas Aquinas, to conclude that heretics should be tortured (Augustine) or killed outright (Aquinas). Martin Luther and John Calvin advocated the wholesale murder of heretics, apostates, Jews, and witches. - Sam Harris, "Letter To A Christian Nation"
66 isn't bad actually, when you consider that he's got a hell of a lot on his plate. Running a universe can't be easy, so he must be prioritising the way he uses his magic powers.
I mean.. Look at all the natural disasters that we didn't know were going to occur but didn't. You can't even put a number on the amount of lives saved there.. The number 66 will also be symbolic in some way to someone. As is 67 just in case someone's ingrowing toe nails get better. |
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