Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi Snuffed

[onlinebiker]

Really?   Just How is trump responsible for this?

No familiar with "Chain of Command" are ya?

[Gawdzilla Sama]

"[Al-Baghdadi] was a gutless animal...He died like a dog. He died like a coward...Our canine, I call it a dog, a beautiful dog, a talented dog, was injured and brought back."
-- Trump

[Anomalocaris]

Really?   Just How is trump responsible for this?

No familiar with "Chain of Command" are ya?

Cut the bullshit.


Did he do anything to deserve to be said to be responsible?


Did he facilitate coordination between agencies?

Did he enhance morale and state of training and preparedness?

Did he prepare favorable diplomatic background?

Did he stand ready to take responsibility if it failed?

Does the buck stop with him?

No.

What did he do?   He created the worst possible environment for the operation, and when it succeeded any what in spite of him, he gleefully took credit.



So shut the fuck up about the chain of command.

The chain of command did not in all relevant ways reach him.   He is but the baffoon that happen to perch above a chain of command that ended before him and somehow remained functional in spite of him.




At the minimum, to even affect to be deserving of any credit for success, even for purely the reason of Political form, one has to exhibit willingness to take the blame for failure.

Does trumpster ever take any blame for any failure whatsoever at any time, ever?

If not, what even the most mendacious excuse could there possibly be to credit him with responsibility when there is any success?

[Deesse23]

I am no Trump hater either I am not even american. Like most people outside the US i even gave up shaking my head quite some time ago. Thats the stage we are at! His *normal* antics (and that of anyone with inhis administration, Giuliani up to Pence) are not even noticed anymore as what they really are: utter insanity and incompetence, to say the least. I am however part of this board, and since it is populated with lots of USians i have no choice but to learn about the comic strip that the US government has become. Talking about hate, i particularly see one peronand his followers spreading hate and vitriol towards almost anybody (nd then turning 180° before turing 180° again which makes it even worse): DJT

Anyone who ready Twitter can see how hate has been normalized by the most powerful caricature of a human being on the planet.

To many americans it may has not dawned yet, particularly those who still stick with this clown*, but the standing of the US has probably been damaged far beyond what his presence in the WH may be. The US has been discredited far beyond what sme may imagine.


*and that i no insult but a pretty fair and acurate assessment of the availiable facts.

[BrianSoddingBoru4]

What did he do?   He created the worst possible environment for the operation, and when it succeeded any what in spite of him, he gleefully took credit.

The brute, unalterable, indisputable fact remains that Trump could have called off the operation at any time.  Since he did not, the mission took place.  That the mission was a success is inarguably NOT due to Trump (we can agree on that much, at least): The success was due to the people on the ground and - to be honest - a fair bit of luck.

But there can't be any doubt, nor even any rational argument, that Baghdadi would still be alive if Trump hadn't given the go-ahead.

Boru

[onlinebiker]

I am no Trump hater either I am not even american. Like most people outside the US i even gave up shaking my head quite some time ago. Thats the stage we are at! His *normal* antics (and that of anyone with inhis administration, Giuliani up to Pence) are not even noticed anymore as what they really are: utter insanity and incompetence, to say the least. I am however part of this board, and since it is populated with lots of USians i have no choice but to learn about the comic strip that the US government has become. Talking about hate, i particularly see one peronand his followers spreading hate and vitriol towards almost anybody (nd then turning 180° before turing 180° again which makes it even worse): DJT

Anyone who ready Twitter can see how hate has been normalized by the most powerful caricature of a human being on the planet.

To many americans it may has not dawned yet, particularly those who still stick with this clown*, but the standing of the US has probably been damaged far beyond what his presence in the WH may be. The US has been discredited far beyond what sme may imagine.


*and that i no insult but a pretty fair and acurate assessment of the availiable facts.

No. You don' t have a handle on chain of command.


When the Titanic sunk - was the captain blameless?

Nope. He was in charge.


That's how it works - for good or bad.

Not by the whim of your opinion.

CIC means Commander in Charge - not "cuz I concur".

[Anomalocaris]

What did he do?   He created the worst possible environment for the operation, and when it succeeded any what in spite of him, he gleefully took credit.

The brute, unalterable, indisputable fact remains that Trump could have called off the operation at any time.  Since he did not, the mission took place.  That the mission was a success is inarguably NOT due to Trump (we can agree on that much, at least): The success was due to the people on the ground and - to be honest - a fair bit of luck.

But there can't be any doubt, nor even any rational argument, that Baghdadi would still be alive if Trump hadn't given the go-ahead.

Boru

 One gets credit for making a decision that turns out to be right only if one also stands ready to take responsibility should it turn out to be wrong.

By willing to concede nothing if the decision turned out tobe wrong, and thereby risking nothing, he adds absolfuckinglutely nothing with his decision.

[BrianSoddingBoru4]

The brute, unalterable, indisputable fact remains that Trump could have called off the operation at any time.  Since he did not, the mission took place.  That the mission was a success is inarguably NOT due to Trump (we can agree on that much, at least): The success was due to the people on the ground and - to be honest - a fair bit of luck.

But there can't be any doubt, nor even any rational argument, that Baghdadi would still be alive if Trump hadn't given the go-ahead.

Boru

 One gets credit for making a decision that turns out to be right only if one also stands ready to take responsibility should it turn out to be wrong.

By willing to concede nothing if the decision turned out tobe wrong, he adds absolfuckinglutely nothing with his decision.

Nah.

Boru

[Anomalocaris]

I am no Trump hater either I am not even american. Like most people outside the US i even gave up shaking my head quite some time ago. Thats the stage we are at! His *normal* antics (and that of anyone with inhis administration, Giuliani up to Pence) are not even noticed anymore as what they really are: utter insanity and incompetence, to say the least. I am however part of this board, and since it is populated with lots of USians i have no choice but to learn about the comic strip that the US government has become. Talking about hate, i particularly see one peronand his followers spreading hate and vitriol towards almost anybody (nd then turning 180° before turing 180° again which makes it even worse): DJT

Anyone who ready Twitter can see how hate has been normalized by the most powerful caricature of a human being on the planet.

To many americans it may has not dawned yet, particularly those who still stick with this clown*, but the standing of the US has probably been damaged far beyond what his presence in the WH may be. The US has been discredited far beyond what sme may imagine.


*and that i no insult but a pretty fair and acurate assessment of the availiable facts.

No. You don' t have a handle on chain of command.


When the Titanic sunk - was the captain blameless?

Nope. He was in charge.


That's how it works - for good or bad.

Not by the whim of your opinion.

CIC means Commander in Charge - not "cuz I concur".

Would trump be ready to go down with the ship even if he steered the ship into the iceberg with his own teenie weenie hands?

No?


Then fuck the bullshit mendacious comparisons between this loofah faced shit gibbon who takes credit for everything, accepts responsibility for nothing, denigrates any one who doesn't suck up to him, jettisons even the most obsequious sycophants at a drop of hat, who manifestly views even something so weighty as relationships with other nuclear powers solely through the lens of his personal financial and political gains and losses,  with any persons who takes seriously  fiduciary responsibility, especially a fiduciary responsibility for life and death such as those of a real president such as Obama, or with the real captain such as Edward Smith.

[onlinebiker]

No. You don' t have a handle on chain of command.


When the Titanic sunk - was the captain blameless?

Nope. He was in charge.


That's how it works - for good or bad.

Not by the whim of your opinion.

CIC means Commander in Charge - not "cuz I concur".

Would trump be ready to go down with the ship even if he steered the ship into the iceberg with his own teenie weenie hands?

No?


Then fuck the bullshit mendacious comparisons between this loofah faced shit gibbon who takes credit for everything, accepts responsibility for nothing, denigrates any one who doesn't suck up to him, jettisons even the most obsequious sycophants at a drop of hat, who manifestly views even something so weighty as relationships with other nuclear powers solely through the lens of his personal financial and political gains and losses,  with any persons who takes seriously  fiduciary responsibility, especially a fiduciary responsibility for life and death such as those of a real president such as Obama, or with the real captain such as Edward Smith.

What planet are you from?


You don't get to pick and choose which of your actions you are responsible for.

When you take the job - you are responsible for how it turns out.

Period.

I don' t like President Trump. I care less that you revile him. 

Fact is - he IS the president - regardless of how much you whine and pule.  He IS responsible for our military - as he IS the Commander in Chief.

Beat your feet on the floor and cry like a little girl all you like. 

It doesn't change facts.

It just makes you look to be a whiney bitch.