Reason for converting Good Christians

[Ephrium]

By reverse back, I mean back to the ages where Scientific theory, even other than those of evolution are thrown out, where fundamentalist events like crusades will happen or some other 'bad' things mentioned in this thread about Christianity will happen.

Hence even if the board here tries to PROmote Christianity, the above will not happen.

Therefore just let it survive for as long as it can to delude the potential crimminals(It will delude the normal/good people to do more good things too but then, good things are good)

[WWLD]

With or without religion, you would have good people doing good things and evil people doing evil things. But for good people to do evil things, that takes religion. -Steven Weinberg

[Edwardo Piet]

There would be no 9/11 without religion.

Religion is a major threat to the world. The cons far outweigh the pros (if there are any) both for intellectual and moral reasons I believe.

Its dangerous because its delusional. Not just nonsense because its delusional.

You wouldn't get a 9/11 directly BECAUSE of atheism. There is nothing in the absence of belief in God in itself that drives you to do that!

And being skeptical about bullshit doesn't tend to cause that either does it.

But thinking you are doing what God wants when you do such a horrible thing. Thinking you are on God's side and are going to die a martyr and get 72 virgins.

That's different. That's not absence of bullshit. That's really dangerous bullshit.
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[DD_8630]

By reverse back, I mean back to the ages where Scientific theory, even other than those of evolution are thrown out, where fundamentalist events like crusades will happen or some other 'bad' things mentioned in this thread about Christianity will happen.

Hence even if the board here tries to PROmote Christianity, the above will not happen.

Therefore just let it survive for as long as it can to delude the potential crimminals(It will delude the normal/good people to do more good things too but then, good things are good)

Well of course, except you still haven't shown that Christianity does indeed curb criminal tendencies. Your theory crumbles in practice, as the past two thousand years have shown.

[lukec]

See, twisting my words again. I have never said it would disappear. I have always used tendency against crimes or increase or decrease words.

Ok, I don't think it would decrease either then. As DD has said, you have no proof that Christianity lowers tendencies to commit crime.

"moral to not do something only because someone is watching"

I have answered this already. As long as the net effect is less crime is commiteed in the end, I do not care about their hearts.

Ok, sorry I missed this point. However, I am totally opposed to your point of view, and I'm actually pretty surprised anyone would take this stance.

[LukeMC]

Therefore just let it survive for as long as it can to delude the potential crimminals(It will delude the normal/good people to do more good things too but then, good things are good)

Sacrifice the freedom and dignity of all human beings because a few bad eggs are on the looose? You sound like God But seriously, you're okay with punishing the entire planet for the wrongdoings of a minority?

[IamAwake]

I have imagined men sitting around, feeling superior to the masses, saying the same things about how to get more people to cooperate and do "good", and then coming up with a religion to better control the people. I can only assume that is how some started, because some liar has to start it all off or there would be no story for the religion to be based off of, and that is sadly the most noble cause for doing it, protecting people from themselves. What is wacky about this scheme is that you're choosing Christianity for your drug of choice. You can't think of anything better than that? for god's sake, how about making a new religion!

When you are able to trick a person into believing some big story that answers life's mysteries, that purposely inhibits a person's ability to hold a realistic view of the world they live in, this results in personal suffering and confusion (since the story you'd have us believe is INSANE), as well as robs people of the true wonder of life by telling them we already have the answers, and guess what, they aren't very good. It is truly a cruel thing to do to a person. It was done to me as a child and I would never EVER condone its being done to anyone.

It is not necessary to be superstitious just to cohabitate peacefully or build a culture. Our laws basically outline right and wrong in our cultures, and I'm pretty sure real jail time is more persuasive to criminals than reward/punishment in a far-off kingdom they won't see in this life.

I get this a lot; some crackhead who wants some money and wants me to believe they are truly a new person in Jesus, and so I should give them some money because they aren't anything like they "used" to be. In a lot of cases, IT IS A SCAM. And I do not support AA, because they would have their members believe they have no power themselves and a higher power must save them. I know this has proven a successful method for some people, but you have to wonder what percentage of those taking steps to change their life would have changed anyway simply because they were determined. Converting to Christianity is a way for people with a bad reputation to try to get other people to reconsider them. That, I believe, is why they so vocally become born-again and want everyone to know it. It is not the actual reason they changed their behavior, but rather a tool to get another chance in society. You build a lot of trust with people that way and also get a support group.

When you apply this method of brainwashing the public, you are left with a lot of complications on top of not being able to tackle issues of the world directly without the filter of whatever worldview instilled upon people. It has led to so much grief for people trying to confront real-world issues with rational and realistic approaches. You have to tip-toe around some load of garbage everyone is frantically imagining is real and posing some massive threat to them if they do the arbitrarily "wrong" thing. And you said you aren't from the U.S. It shows. Christianity is a filthy business here in Texas. And that is probably only because the population of believers is condensed and it makes stupifying opinions rampant and easily passed amongst the masses of ignorant self-righteous people who are by NO MEANS more moral than the non-religious. More people being christian in your town would make you regret you ever thought the thought in the first place. It squashes culture (makes it boring IMO), makes the inner-life of a person horribly stream-lined and conflicted because you always end up having to fight and hate part of your natural self, and creates for them a sort of virtual reality. And we wonder why we have so many depressed and neurotic people in this part of the world. Just imagine seeing only a virtual reality screen and trying to walk down a very real street, and they don't match up. You would have some difficulties, even if you truly believed what you saw on the screen. That is quite a rude thing to do to a person; forcing them to navigate their life using a totally made up map.

Not to mention Christian in-fighting. It can really get out of hand.

You may want to be a visionary peace-bringer, but at such a price! and it wouldn't even work! DOESN'T even work. it's not a new game in town. Please learn from history. Is life so great if it is just people behaving themselves in mental anguish? I think Christianity was originally used for this purpose but ultimately failed. Can't we try something new, something that doesn't involve lying? That may be a reason it failed so hard. and the thing about serial killers, well there aren't very many in the first place. And they're usually intelligent, and to top that off frequently very religious too. Christianity can never save us.

[True Unbeliever]

Suggested reading, particulary Ephrium, to why it matters to understand evolution.

http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn13...ution.html

[Ephrium]

I have said I will spend less time so I try to keep to it.

A few months ago an England native spoke to me. He said England is now not a good place to live in because gangs of youngsters or skinheads always go around making trouble. He said it is so bad to the extend that you have to be on your guard whenever you see a group of youths.

Englands' Christianity level has dropped to about 35% or less.

Basically these youngsters just do serious and big stuff just because they feel like it or that it is a challenge.

Remember the happy slapping fad one or two years ago in Europe, where members of the public were just randomly assaulted and vid of the assault posted on the Internet? Atheism as you have it.

Thank God this did not really spread to America.

In Atheist China just recently we have the case where to boost profits melamine was added to milk powder, not caring about the tens of thousands' health who are affected, numbering for far more than the victims of 9/11

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2008_Chinese_milk_scandal

In Atheist Russia, we still remember the Russian spy who was poisoned by radiation.

These are all because there is no God and conscience to check these people.

In my life experience, this is the case too.

The Logic that God promotes good deeds and checks the bad is just so strong. Perhaps because most atheists here do not understand the mind of Christians. They do not think that it is a mere theory but there is a God who wants them to do certain things(The punish ment of not doing only comes later)

One of the base tenets of evolution if that The fittest/strongest will survive, regardless of who is 'right or wrong ' etc.

Do you feel safer from random possible assaults or pickpockets in the general public or in a church?

[True Unbeliever]

A baby in Iraq

Yes, America a Christian country, did this. I wouldn't display the photo I would have liked at of courtesy to others but please get my drift.


I'm afraid Ephrium that after reading your blogs I have decided that you are narrow minded, ill informed, gullible to sensationalism and generally ignorant. And I am not the least surprised that you are Christian because you fit the criteria perfectly.

An example of your ignorance is your reference to "survival of the fittest" Have you considered the term fittest in the context of most suitable. To understand my point you can follow this link but be warned science can be detrimental to your belief!

http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn13671-evolution-myths-survival-of-the-fittest-justifies-everyone-for-themselves.html