[Serious] Time to embrace Islam!

[WinterHold]

That's a strange question in the manner that it was framed and in the contents.  Yes, a dictionary can be trusted to define words.  Apostasy isn't a concept belonging to any particularly tradition - every religious authority, of every religion, has had to deal with the problem of dissenters and free riders.  No matter what language is being spoken, and no matter what religion the people speaking it belong to, they've all been discussing the subject of apostasy, what to do with apostates, and the justifications for whatever course of action they may take. 

Apostasy doesn't belong to people speaking about it casually, it's an extremely serious court order that only comes from a state, not individuals or insurgent groups. And consensus has been reached centuries ago that almost impossible conditions should be met before thinking of applying such penalty. I already mentioned that no order was issued by major Islamic caliphates before the 11th century, which means 4 centuries went by after Muhammad without a single case of execution because of apostasy.

So, if a "state" like ISIS or Iran's Shiite regime or Assad's Shiite-Liberal wanna-be or Sunni Wahhabi Saudi Arabia ruled -via a court that works for the government- that "x" should be beheaded for the thoughts he/she embraces, then that's okay right?

Of course. we can go back to this comment to see your true belief concerning this:

https://atheistforums.org/thread-60077-p...pid1947915

Klorophyll Wrote:


Again, I deny the existence of a verse who mentions apostasy. I know it's enforced and I know it's there in the Islamic jurisprudence based on an authentic hadith.
And if it is established by a court of Islamic law that it is actual treason (which is extremely complicated to establish and requires incontrovertible proof already) then yes, the punishment is death.

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[Mystic]

Atlas, stop accusing me of being someone I'm not. Made a thread in the intro section about it, please, stop it.

[R00tKiT]

Atlas, stop accusing me of being someone I'm not. Made a thread in the intro section about it, please, stop it.

Stop creating duplicate profiles, this is a retarded tactic Atlas. And get out of my thread.

Moderator needed here.

Just a clarification for anyone reading this retarded's comments : I am not some so-called Mystic knight nor Atlas's duplicate in the previous comment.

[Mystic]

Jesus, this is going haywire.

I can't access MysticKnight, because I got them to change my email. Anyways, I wanted to say, this Klorophyll is not me.

[WinterHold]

Atlas, stop accusing me of being someone I'm not. Made a thread in the intro section about it, please, stop it.

Hi not; Mystic Knight.

[R00tKiT]

Any moderator please?

[WinterHold]

Apostasy doesn't belong to people speaking about it casually, it's an extremely serious court order that only comes from a state, not individuals or insurgent groups. And consensus has been reached centuries ago that almost impossible conditions should be met before thinking of applying such penalty. I already mentioned that no order was issued by major Islamic caliphates before the 11th century, which means 4 centuries went by after Muhammad without a single case of execution because of apostasy.

So, if a "state" like ISIS or Iran's Shiite regime or Assad's Shiite-Liberal wanna-be or Sunni Wahhabi Saudi Arabia ruled -via a court that works for the government- that "x" should be beheaded for the thoughts he/she embraces, then that's okay right?

Of course. we can go back to this comment to see your true belief concerning this:

https://atheistforums.org/thread-60077-p...pid1947915

Klorophyll/ Mystic Knight Wrote:


Again, I deny the existence of a verse who mentions apostasy. I know it's enforced and I know it's there in the Islamic jurisprudence based on an authentic hadith.
And if it is established by a court of Islamic law that it is actual treason (which is extremely complicated to establish and requires incontrovertible proof already) then yes, the punishment is death.

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[Mystic]

What the hell, Atlas, you can't accuse me like this. I'm not Kloryphyll.

[WinterHold]

Apostasy doesn't belong to people speaking about it casually, it's an extremely serious court order that only comes from a state, not individuals or insurgent groups. And consensus has been reached centuries ago that almost impossible conditions should be met before thinking of applying such penalty. I already mentioned that no order was issued by major Islamic caliphates before the 11th century, which means 4 centuries went by after Muhammad without a single case of execution because of apostasy.

So, if a "state" like ISIS or Iran's Shiite regime or Assad's Shiite-Liberal wanna-be or Sunni Wahhabi Saudi Arabia ruled -via a court that works for the government- that "x" should be beheaded for the thoughts he/she embraces, then that's okay right?

Of course. we can go back to this comment to see your true belief concerning this:

https://atheistforums.org/thread-60077-p...pid1947915

Klorophyll/ Mystic Knight Wrote:


Again, I deny the existence of a verse who mentions apostasy. I know it's enforced and I know it's there in the Islamic jurisprudence based on an authentic hadith.
And if it is established by a court of Islamic law that it is actual treason (which is extremely complicated to establish and requires incontrovertible proof already) then yes, the punishment is death.

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[Mystic]

There is no apostacy rule. It was made up.

If there are hadiths stipulating, there is also hadiths, indirectly forbidding it.

Authentic and non-authentic doesn't determine what is true. Scholars accused people of liars or being truthful when they didn't know. Ilmel Rijaal = conjecture.

Quran in detail showed what do with apostates (see Suratal Nisaa for example), and it's not that they should be killed. Hadiths are useful as insights or when they are at level of Tawatur they can establish historical facts. Quran is manifested by the Sunnah and vice versa, the hadiths are a tool to rely on the chosen ones to interpret Quran but must be taken with due care since a lot is attributed to the Prophet and Twelve Successors that is false.

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You know I never believed in apostacy rule. What the hell Atlas, why are you accusing me of being this Sunni guy?