[Serious] Time to embrace Islam!

[The Architect Of Fate]

Do you think fucking Merriam Webster will define accurately such a complicated judicial concept belonging to eastern tradition ?
Apostasy here is defined generally, not in the particular Islamic case. You are just being grossly dishonest here. Did you think about the statistics I mentioned?

1.So no real response 

2. Doesn't need to be


3.They back nothing you say

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I don't expect from dishonest misinformed people like yourself to grasp the critical nuances - you pretend don't exist - of applying this penalty. And leave women alone, they can come here and complain about it themselves, I expect them to be more informed about the matter and less inclined to repeating stereotypes.

So no real defense then

[WinterHold]

I am not ok with anyone being killed,

Well, what did i just say?:

You know you are lying, i know it and everyone else knows it. So why are you going to embarass yourself by forcing me to give examples? Do you really think your method of flat out denying of what you just openly stated (like you did just above) is gonna work here? Please stop insulting my intellect.

And here you go, lying your sorry ass off, again.

Because you were ok with killing apostates, you said it, plain and clear:

And if it is established by a court of Islamic law that it is actual treason (which is extremely complicated to establish and requires incontrovertible proof already) then yes, the punishment is death.

apostasy is a political status and not a mere change of belief,

Lying again, or just being ignorant?

Apostasy: an act of refusing to continue to follow, obey, or recognize a religious faith

But in any case it is duly noted you are ok with killing people after "giving them a political status" in your sick and twisted version of reality.

Healthy women have more reasons to vomit at the imaginary gender equality you preach in your country , than to a verse who instructs to treat them differently (because they biologically differ from men , a tautology you strangely can't wrap your head around ).

Aaand you are lying again. Women arent treated differently, they are treated as lesser people, at best.
Women are second class citizens....at best. They can only inherit half of what a man can inherit, and their testimony in court also counts only half of that of a man.
Disgusting, your lies, and the immorality you are defending. Just flat out despicable.

Ignore him, his case is finished from the very first pages of this topic btw; but Mystic Knight is well known for spamming posts over and over and over.

Apostasy = الردة

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apostasy_in_Islam

Historic impact

The charge of apostasy is often used by religious authorities to condemn and punish skeptics, dissidents, and minorities in their communities.[41] From the earliest history of Islam, the crime of apostasy and execution for apostasy has driven major events in Islam. For example, the Ridda wars (civil wars of apostasy) shook the Muslim community in 632-633 AD, immediately after the death of Muhammad.[41][131] These apostasy wars split the two major sects of Islam – Sunni and Shia, and caused numerous deaths.[132][133] Sunni and Shia sects of Islam have long called each other as apostates of Islam.[134]

This troll is...well trolling.
What a waste of time. Maybe he insists on killing for apostasy because he has other issue..

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Mahdi (d. 169/785) persecuted Freethinkers, and executed them in large numbers. He was the first Caliph to order composition of polemical works to in refutation of Freethinkers and other heretics; and for years he tried to exterminate them absolutely, hunting them down throughout all provinces and putting accused persons to death on mere suspicion.[135]

[The Architect Of Fate]

Just an example off the top of my head, women were not allowed to pursue graduate studies in Princeton until at least 1960. Islam wouldn't have condoned that.

And womn were still freer in he west then then they are in some Muslim countries today

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What makes you think the 21st century morality - which is an implicit admission that you are a moral relativist, hence your right to even object evaporates into thin air - is the gold standard against which we get to measure anything done in the past?

Actually your the one preaching moral relativism

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Furthermore 

https://www.answering-islam.org/Shamoun/...escent.htm


https://www.answering-islam.org/Silas/childbrides.htm

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A child is biologically between birth and puberty, Aisha reportedly reached puberty at the age of 9.

There is zero evidence of that ad evidence to the contrary .There is a lot of evidence your "prophet "was into prepubescent girls and that Islams view of adulthood is flawed to the point of dangerous .

https://www.answering-islam.org/Silas/ch...des.htm#s4

 

Meanwhile we find Tennessee ( an American state mind you, not a Saudi one ) 10-year-old girls get married in 2001. This happens right now in your country and you allow yourself to judge a marriage that happened 14 centuries ago? Seriously

tu quoque .Plus he already condemed it .Which makes him more consistent then you

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[Abaddon_ire]

Apostasy in the Quran...

3:90
4:91
9:66
16:106

Fuck off with your lies.

First I would like to thank you for the F word, summarizes the kind of high-quality morality system atheists came up with after leaving religion.

"Fuck" is a word. Are you a child that you are scared of words?

If so, explain why certain words scare you.

<snipped blather>

An apologist for allah, may shite be upon him. How can I speak such blasphemy? Because allah does not exist. Disagree? Demonstrate that allah exists. You know you cannot.

And there you go, proof that you are a misinformed, dishonest and pathetic liar.

Says the idiot who believes in a magic sky fairy.

[The Architect Of Fate]

First I would like to thank you for the F word, summarizes the kind of high-quality morality system atheists came up with after leaving religion.

Th use of a word has nothing to do with morality

[The Grand Nudger]

Do you think fucking Merriam Webster will define accurately such a complicated judicial concept belonging to eastern tradition ?

That's a strange question in the manner that it was framed and in the contents.  Yes, a dictionary can be trusted to define words.  Apostasy isn't a concept belonging to any particularly tradition - every religious authority, of every religion, has had to deal with the problem of dissenters and free riders.  No matter what language is being spoken, and no matter what religion the people speaking it belong to, they've all been discussing the subject of apostasy, what to do with apostates, and the justifications for whatever course of action they may take.  

Now, apostasy in christianity isn't what it used to be, but apostasy in islam is -exactly- what apostasy in christianity used to be, when it was still in power.  If the governing authority of your state is also the religion of your state, then a rejection of religious authority is politically treasonous.  

This is how the classical pagan intelligentsia of rome conceptualized christians as apostates, and how christians then conceptualized their own dissenters as apostates when they became the governing authority, and...on and on and on, until we get to islam doing the same thing, in the same situation, for the same reasons.  It's not complicated, it's just tedious.

As to the other matter, I would be surprised if there's any significant difference between our moral systems, Kloro. It would be a fun experiment to try and come up with any moral declarations that you think can only be made by, for example..a muslim (and the right kind of muslim, whichever kind that is). I'd contend..sight unseen, that I could strip all of the god from the statement while retaining the moral content, for which every culture and every person, religious or otherwise, has an analog - just like apostasy and treason.

[Paleophyte]

So your best argument is that it wasn't technically pedophilia? Old enough to bleed, old enough to breed? How could your "god" have failed to mention to Mo to not screw 10 year-olds?

Aisha consented to the marriage, she wasn't a child, what else do you need to stop this outdated presentism fallacy? Did she need your consent or what?

She was a child when she "consented". Even by your twisted definition. Mo had to wait for her to grow up to the ripe old age of 9 before bedding her.

If your "prophet" didn't know morality that applies to the 21st century then what's the good of him?

What makes you think the 21st century morality - which is an implicit admission that you are a moral relativist, hence your right to even object evaporates into thin air - is the gold standard against which we get to measure anything done in the past?

Yes I'm a moral relativist. So are you. The problem is that all of your morals are relative to the ramblings of a 7th century kiddie diddler.

[Deesse23]

Someone suggesting that a 9y old girl can consent to a marriage (or sex, because......heres the kicker: she allegedly menstruated), well thats all you need to know about some people.

[EgoDeath]

@Abaddon_ire

Sincerely, you have responded better than I could have to the user in question. Still... my response... Thanks!

The whole problem with you people is that you overcomplicate matters, when things are and should be simple.  A coherent definition of god would be like this : the unique immortal, omnipotent and omniscient being.

In all honesty, I don't mean to "overcomplicate" matters, to the contrary, I mean to clarify what you're asking. So what physical properties does "god" have, if any?

Why did I define God like that? Because it's the only interesting definition. Any mortal being will cease to exist and won't interfere in any way with any creature nor will meet us in an eventual afterlife.

Interesting, according to who? And how have you come to define the "afterlife" in this way?

And you seem, like everyone here, to be overly repugnant of theology, which is your former religion's fault, and not any other religion.

While you and I may have different opinions of theology, I find the "subject" to be interesting, as well as the study of religion.

Saying no is never an answer to anything buddy. Not assuming (just as not knowing) something exists doesn't mean you're certain you won't change your mind later. Again, you're arbitrarily objecting to any clarification I try to make.

What do you mean that I'm "saying no"...? And no, I never said "not assuming... something exists" was the same as "you're certain you won't change your mind later"...

Did you spend some time looking up what the Isnad is all about, or just cannot help the urge of accusing us of circularity?

No, I didn't. Are you claiming that this is a source for your claim?