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[Quranic Reflection]: The tolerance the Quran gave non-believers
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RE: [Quranic Reflection]: The tolerance the Quran gave non-believers
(December 24, 2019 at 3:56 am)AtlasS33 Wrote:
(December 23, 2019 at 12:38 pm)Gae Bolga Wrote: Isn't it just swell to know that we're tolerated?  LOL

Your silly religion can go fuck itself Atlas, you're lucky anybody tolerates you.

At least I believe that bombing people with atomic weapons, spraying fields with Agent Orange and using tactical bombing at civilians is highly forbidden.

Tell you what Gae: you're lucky yourself that the world is still silent to the barbarism humanity witnessed in WW1 and WW2.

(December 24, 2019 at 3:52 am)Peebo-Thuhlu Wrote: At work.

Hello.

Just a question to you AtlassS33?

I am gathering/understanding that English is not your native language, yes?

Yes. My first language is Arabic.

(December 23, 2019 at 2:06 pm)LadyForCamus Wrote: So, rather than address the explicit problem of your circular argument (using the book to prove the book) that were raised in your last OP, you just ignore it, and make another thread about stuff book says? That seems reasonable.

I didn't ignore it. But I did reply that you need to read the Quran and observe the universe and observe the experiences you take from life.

And you have completely missed my point. Anyone can look around at the world they live in. That tells us nothing about whether or not Islam is true versus any other religion. You’re solution to this problem is, “read the Quran”, or in other words, “if you read the Quran it will prove its claims are true.” Circular argument.
Nay_Sayer: “Nothing is impossible if you dream big enough, or in this case, nothing is impossible if you use a barrel of KY Jelly and a miniature horse.”

Wiser words were never spoken. 
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RE: [Quranic Reflection]: The tolerance the Quran gave non-believers
(December 24, 2019 at 4:36 am)Deesse23 Wrote:
(December 24, 2019 at 3:40 am)AtlasS33 Wrote: It is (Deesse, for clarity: slaughter being preferable to persecution. ). Ever saw Nazi concentration camps?
Thank you for your honesty, and to admit how twisted your moral compass is, by claiming that slaughter is preferable to persecution. Its a convenient way to outright slaughter other people to "spare" them being persecuted, is it?
You are welcome.
And prosecution is indeed more brutal than slaughter; ask a Jew who survived Nazi concentration camps or ask the Chinese Muslims as an other option.

Quote:As to your rather cynical (and ill informed) question: Yes i visited KZs, twice. Buchenwald and Flossenbürg. People were put there in order to get killed after they had been persecuted and arrested. Thats why slaughter is worse than persecution, but your twisted moral compass probibits you to see this simple truth. After all you need to defend your (un)holy book before all. Its sad to see how you have given up your humanity for your book, but its a powerful warning to any observer.

Then you should know how Nazi nerve gas must feel like,especially after years of insults, rape and worse.


Quote: Wrote:Persecution is the systematic mistreatment of an individual or group by another individual or group. The most common forms are religious persecution, racism and political persecution, though there is naturally some overlap between these terms. The inflicting of suffering, harassment, imprisonment, internment, fear, or pain are all factors that may establish persecution, but not all suffering will necessarily establish persecution. The suffering experienced by the victim must be sufficiently severe. The threshold level of severity has been a source of much debate.
According to your twisted morality, getting slaughtered is better than any of these.

Do you, personally, prefer to get slaugherered or rather: Imprisoned? Harassed? Interned?



You truly underestimate my bold; or you don't understand these words.

(December 24, 2019 at 5:49 am)Peebo-Thuhlu Wrote: At work.

*Nods*

I thought so AtlasS33.

Sadly a lot of nuanced understanding can become lost or otherwise cluttered when ideas are attempted to cross such language barriers.

I've found myself frustrated in conversations with those who converse normally in languages other than mine own simple tongue as our efforts to transpose ideas from one mind to another fall astray.

That the other interlocutor in the conversation could literally not seem to even grasp the concept of "No diety"did not help matters.

Cheers.

It falls on the translator then to find the most "accurate" words, and thankfully the Quran is clear and translating to English is a pretty straightforward process.

Slang is a different package on the other hand. For example, translating Arabic jokes to English is quite daunting. Getting English jokes in Arabic is also tiresome in many times. It's like you can't express the emotions that should be projected with the word.

But concepts like "no diety" are understandable. 
Quote:(Insert Red Dwarf "What about toaster heaven" style skit here)

?? huh ?

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RE: [Quranic Reflection]: The tolerance the Quran gave non-believers
(December 25, 2019 at 3:47 am)AtlasS33 Wrote:
(December 24, 2019 at 4:36 am)Deesse23 Wrote: Thank you for your honesty, and to admit how twisted your moral compass is, by claiming that slaughter is preferable to persecution. Its a convenient way to outright slaughter other people to "spare" them being persecuted, is it?
You are welcome.
And prosecution is indeed more brutal than slaughter;
I see you start dishonestly backpedaling by trying to change the word "preferable" to "more brutal". Arent you a bit ashamed of yourself, when you are lying in such a shameless way?
So ill ask again: Is slaughter preferable to persecution?

(December 25, 2019 at 3:47 am)AtlasS33 Wrote: Then you should know how Nazi nerve gas must feel like,especially after years of insults, rape and worse.
Yeah, insult, rape and worse, they are so much worse than.......being slaughtered, right? Facepalm
Oh, no, you actually just made my point by agreeing that finally killing jews with gas was the worst thing to do to them (after insulting them of course, which is horrible in and of itself!). You are one of those idiots whom one just need to keep talking. They manage to hang themselves and actually dont need others to point out how ignorant they are. They manage to do this all by themselves.


(December 25, 2019 at 3:47 am)AtlasS33 Wrote:
Quote:How many KZs have you visited?
I'm living in one. Saudi Arabia is a beautiful concentration camp.
I see you just had edited your post, removing this comment about how you actually are living in a KZ (Suadi Arabia). I guess you have finally realized how full of shit you are?
If you dont know the actual difference between Buchenwald and Saudi Arabia, then you are exactly the kind of idiot (or liar) i have expected you to be. You are kindly linvited to come over here and visit Buchenwald with me, so you actually can learn something. But i doubt this is the case, as you have amply demonstrated.

And i maintain: Its repugnant of you to claim that finally gassing jews was *better* than any abuse they had to suffer beforehand.
You may want to ask those who survived, if they envy the dead, or rathe rfeel guilty because they survived.

(December 25, 2019 at 3:47 am)AtlasS33 Wrote:
Quote:According to your twisted morality, getting slaughtered is better than any of these.
Do you, personally, prefer to get slaugherered or rather: Imprisoned? Harassed? Interned?
You truly understimate my bold; or you don't understand these words; or worse case scenario: you don't "know" what these words actually mean.
I do understand those, what they actually mean but you dont. They mean: death is immediate, terminal and erases your permanently. Imprisonment and internment are not.

I have also noticed that you have given up to argue for slaugher ("wherever you find them") in *self defense*. It was a rather moronic attempt of apology of your *holy* book right from the start, wasnt it?

As i have said: Keep talking and demonstrating what a monumentally ignorant idiot you are.  Read

Edit: aaaaand i was 100% correct. You are indeed monumentally stupid. You edited your post and added:

(December 25, 2019 at 3:47 am)AtlasS33 Wrote: And prosecution is indeed more brutal than slaughter; ask a Jew who survived Nazi concentration camps or ask the Chinese Muslims as an other option.

I have asked jews who survived: They told me they were glad to survive.
I have not asked any jews who got slaughtered. You know why? I couldnt talk to them, because they are fucking dead, permanently! Facepalm
Cetero censeo religionem delendam esse
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RE: [Quranic Reflection]: The tolerance the Quran gave non-believers
(December 24, 2019 at 12:29 pm)LadyForCamus Wrote: And you have completely missed my point. Anyone can look around at the world they live in. That tells us nothing about whether or not Islam is true versus any other religion. You’re solution to this problem is, “read the Quran”, or in other words, “if you read the Quran it will prove its claims are true.” Circular argument.

That's why you must "accompany observing the universe with reading the Quran and consider the experiences of life".

The other religions prove obsolete when their content is read: they either contradict what we observe, or they contain an obvious fingerprint of a man -like First Council of Nicaea-.

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RE: [Quranic Reflection]: The tolerance the Quran gave non-believers
(December 25, 2019 at 4:34 am)AtlasS33 Wrote: That's why you must "accompany observing the universe with reading the Quran and consider the experiences of life".
Not accoring to the dictate of Islam, by your own admission.
Cetero censeo religionem delendam esse
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RE: [Quranic Reflection]: The tolerance the Quran gave non-believers
I'm not sure why a council would be an issue for christianity, but not for islam. The quran was also compiled by a group of people who had thoughts about what should and shouldn't be in magic book.
The essence of poverty, is that it annihilates the future - Orwell.

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RE: [Quranic Reflection]: The tolerance the Quran gave non-believers
(December 25, 2019 at 8:49 am)Gae Bolga Wrote: I'm not sure why a council would be an issue for christianity, but not for islam.  The quran was also compiled by a group of people who had thoughts about what should and shouldn't be in magic book.

When telling a story, someone adds a dot, a comma etc. This is easily tested. Create a circle of 20 people. Tell the starter to whisper to the other on his right something written. When you get to the original speaker tell him to write what he heard after the transmission. A simple e exercise
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RE: [Quranic Reflection]: The tolerance the Quran gave non-believers
So, despite massive evidence to the contrary, Atass is clinging to his quote-mining exception to the reality if Islam.
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RE: [Quranic Reflection]: The tolerance the Quran gave non-believers
(December 25, 2019 at 9:43 am)Gawdzilla Sama Wrote: So, despite massive evidence to the contrary, Atass is clinging to his quote-mining exception to the reality if Islam.

Never forget the crusades, ww1 ww2, atom bombs, bell pants and everything in the west that the quranic people use to excuse their barbarity... to this day.
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RE: [Quranic Reflection]: The tolerance the Quran gave non-believers
(December 25, 2019 at 10:12 am)LastPoet Wrote:
(December 25, 2019 at 9:43 am)Gawdzilla Sama Wrote: So, despite massive evidence to the contrary, Atass is clinging to his quote-mining exception to the reality if Islam.

Never forget the crusades, ww1 ww2, atom bombs, bell pants and everything in the west that the quranic people use to excuse their barbarity... to this day.
And places like Dubai where observant Islamists can go to gamble, drink, and whore.
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