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[Quranic Reflection]: The tolerance the Quran gave non-believers
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RE: [Quranic Reflection]: The tolerance the Quran gave non-believers
(December 25, 2019 at 4:32 pm)LadyForCamus Wrote: A debate about the credibility of a holy book requires the person arguing for its credibility provide external, corroborating evidence to support the truth, or likely truth of its claims. So far, that hasn’t happened.

All holy books assume God exists already, nobody on Earth questioned that at the time of Muhammad, let alone Jesus, in the case of the Qur'an only one verse talks about doubting his existence. Therefore they have zero credibility to someone who doesn't believe in God, even if we establish they are absolutely miraculous.

(December 25, 2019 at 4:32 pm)LadyForCamus Wrote: I would argue that you have fundamentally misunderstood the recent advances in science that theists, and only theists (certainly not the scientists who have contributed to these advances) seem to think point to a creator, lol.

Really? Planck (who contributed to QM I think) thought an intelligent Mind was behind the forces orchestrating the atom.
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#52
RE: [Quranic Reflection]: The tolerance the Quran gave non-believers
Quote:All holy books assume God exists already
Which does not refute her point



Quote:nobody on Earth questioned that at the time of Muhammad, 
Irrelevant 



Quote:in the case of the Qur'an only one verse talks about doubting his existence.

Irrelevant 



 
Quote:Therefore they have zero credibility to someone who doesn't believe in God, even if we establish they are absolutely miraculous.
Nope provide evidence or be silent

Quote:Really? Planck (who contributed to QM I think) thought an intelligent Mind was behind the forces orchestrating the atom.
Personal opinions are not scientific conclusions
"Change was inevitable"


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#53
RE: [Quranic Reflection]: The tolerance the Quran gave non-believers
(December 25, 2019 at 4:45 pm)Klorophyll Wrote:
(December 25, 2019 at 4:32 pm)LadyForCamus Wrote: A debate about the credibility of a holy book requires the person arguing for its credibility provide external, corroborating evidence to support the truth, or likely truth of its claims. So far, that hasn’t happened.

All holy books assume God exists already, nobody on Earth questioned that at the time of Muhammad, let alone Jesus, in the case of the Qur'an only one verse talks about doubting his existence. Therefore they have zero credibility to someone who doesn't believe in God, even if we establish they are absolutely miraculous.

If you could demonstrate they were actually miraculous then they’d be considered credible, and atheists would change their minds, lol.

(December 25, 2019 at 4:32 pm)LadyForCamus Wrote: I would argue that you have fundamentally misunderstood the recent advances in science that theists, and only theists (certainly not the scientists who have contributed to these advances) seem to think point to a creator, lol.

Quote:Really? Planck (who contributed to QM I think) thought an intelligent Mind was behind the forces orchestrating the atom.

That’s nice. So, who got the Nobel for demonstrating an intelligent creator?
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#54
RE: [Quranic Reflection]: The tolerance the Quran gave non-believers
Both christianity and islam were met with immediate criticism in their own time, which has persisted in every time since.
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RE: [Quranic Reflection]: The tolerance the Quran gave non-believers
(December 25, 2019 at 5:09 pm)LadyForCamus Wrote:
(December 25, 2019 at 4:45 pm)Klorophyll Wrote: All holy books assume God exists already, nobody on Earth questioned that at the time of Muhammad, let alone Jesus, in the case of the Qur'an only one verse talks about doubting his existence. Therefore they have zero credibility to someone who doesn't believe in God, even if we establish they are absolutely miraculous.

If you could demonstrate they were actually miraculous then they’d be considered credible, and atheists would change their minds, lol.

I explained in great detail why the Qur'an is quite miraculous in the thread you people closed.
Arabic was already very mature at the time of Muhammad , let's take a simple example : one word of one verse[Hud/28] from the Qur'an took seven words in modern English. Muhammad posed a literary challenge to all Arab tribes while insulting their gods and threatening their pagan culture, and yet they chose to respond with the sword. 

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#56
RE: [Quranic Reflection]: The tolerance the Quran gave non-believers
Quote:I explained in great detail why the Qur'an is quite miraculous in the thread you people closed.
Nop jua alot of assertions you insisted were so 




Quote:Arabic was already very mature at the time of Muhammad ,

Meaningless 


Quote: let's take a simple example : one word of one verse[Hud/28] from the Qur'an took seven words in modern English. Muhammad posed a literary challenge to all Arab tribes while insulting their gods and threatening their pagan culture, and yet they chose to respond with the sword. 
Which literally proves nothing

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If you had good reason people would accept .Shitty ideologies don't and then hide why hey can't behind religious excuse making .
"Change was inevitable"


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 “No matter what men think, abortion is a fact of life. Women have always had them; they always have and they always will. Are they going to have good ones or bad ones? Will the good ones be reserved for the rich, while the poor women go to quacks?”
–SHIRLEY CHISHOLM


      
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#57
RE: [Quranic Reflection]: The tolerance the Quran gave non-believers
(December 25, 2019 at 5:53 pm)Klorophyll Wrote:
(December 25, 2019 at 5:09 pm)LadyForCamus Wrote: If you could demonstrate they were actually miraculous then they’d be considered credible, and atheists would change their minds, lol.

I explained in great detail why the Qur'an is quite miraculous in the thread you people closed.
Arabic was already very mature at the time of Muhammad , let's take a simple example : one word of one verse[Hud/28] from the Qur'an took seven words in modern English. Muhammad posed a literary challenge to all Arab tribes while insulting their gods and threatening their pagan culture, and yet they chose to respond with the sword. 

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No, Klorophyll. For the 1,000th time between you, Atlas, and Mystic: you cannot use details or facts about the book, or the contents of the book to prove the contents of the book are true. That is a logical fallacy. You need external, corroborating evidence.

If you had such evidence you would have presented it in your very first post on this forum, but you didn’t, so it’s obvious you have no such evidence. You have a book of supernatural claims, and nothing else. Try again.
Nay_Sayer: “Nothing is impossible if you dream big enough, or in this case, nothing is impossible if you use a barrel of KY Jelly and a miniature horse.”

Wiser words were never spoken. 
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#58
RE: [Quranic Reflection]: The tolerance the Quran gave non-believers
Take a book of lies, add someone who things it great, and you wind up with a book of liars.
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#59
RE: [Quranic Reflection]: The tolerance the Quran gave non-believers
@Klorophyll and @AtlasS33 Let me ask you guys a question:

Do you believe that human beings on earth today are being abducted by aliens, experimented on, and then returned?
Nay_Sayer: “Nothing is impossible if you dream big enough, or in this case, nothing is impossible if you use a barrel of KY Jelly and a miniature horse.”

Wiser words were never spoken. 
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RE: [Quranic Reflection]: The tolerance the Quran gave non-believers
The only ones that are returned are the ones with manufacturers defects.
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