[Serious] Poetry

[Brian37]

I just wish these pretentious poets would stop pretentiously flapping their pretentious, quick, easy, small poems around like they've reinvented the wheel, when all they've really done is "make a pretty pattern" out of a few dozen words which took them far less than 30 mins to assemble, in all likelihood.

If you stupidly think that art, any art, is about  re-inventing the wheel, please stop smoking whatever you are smoking.

[Duty]

I saw a twat upon the net,
He spoke of prose, his pussy wet,
I smote his ego upon the cliff,
He still maintained his mind a gift.

OK that took circa 20 seconds - I'm a genius!

[WinterHold]

I just wish these pretentious poets would stop pretentiously flapping their pretentious, quick, easy, small poems around like they've reinvented the wheel, when all they've really done is "make a pretty pattern" out of a few dozen words which took them far less than 30 mins to assemble, in all likelihood.

A poem is much more than organizing words!
For example; this is a short poem that was in "Silent Hill:homecoming" -a videogame-:

"I stand beside the holy man
The monarchs fear my wrath
non may move the way I can
Ever the crooked path"

Fantastic riddle and also a fantastic poem

It has a flow; also a rhyme, combined with a well-put choice of words.
Brian should say his opinion

[Brian37]

I just wish these pretentious poets would stop pretentiously flapping their pretentious, quick, easy, small poems around like they've reinvented the wheel, when all they've really done is "make a pretty pattern" out of a few dozen words which took them far less than 30 mins to assemble, in all likelihood.

A poem is much more than organizing words!
For example; this is a short poem that was in "Silent Hill:homecoming" -a videogame-:

"I stand beside the holy man
The monarchs fear my wrath
non may move the way I can
Ever the crooked path"

Fantastic riddle and also a fantastic poem

It has a flow; also a rhyme, combined with a well-put choice of words.
Brian should say his opinion

Yea, you had me with the first one. 

I have read too much poetry to know that even poetry is not set in stone.

[Brian37]

Here are three of my best Atlass and Mystic.

#1 is about how nobody should fear death(not meaning seak being a hero, but simply accepting life is finite) "The Illusion"

Poem #2 is about 9/11/01 and how horrible it is humanity is that divided. "Ego Divinely Inspired"

Poem #3 Is about a silly word game I started with my late mother in her nursing home instead of saying "good  bye" I'd respond with "Bicycle" or "biplane" because the words we would compete with had a "bi"or ""bye"or "buy"sound. It is about how I miss playing that word game with her.


http://visionswithvoices.com/brian/index...ussiontext

[LadyForCamus]

Atlas, if you are serious about poetry and serious about improving, you need to find a high-quality workshop forum and be prepared for hard work and intense critique. I use everypoet.org. They are brutal, but you’ll get serious, valuable feedback from folks who have actually been published. It’s an amazing resource if you actually care about improving, but it will probably traumatize you if you’re just looking for people to tell you that you’re good. It’s up to you in the end, but honestly, there isn’t much we can do for you here on an atheist forum, ya know?

[LadyForCamus]

I dislike virtually all poetry, finding it pretentious, and all the more so because it is extremely quick and easy to put together compared to, say, literature, graphic novels, film, oil paintings, music composition and production etc etc etc so when people act like their poetry is all serious and profound and shit...er...yeah, pretentious. Never read it, if I can help it. The few poets I've actually met are also amongst the least likeable people I've met, so that jibes.

Good poetry is not easy to put together. Are you kidding me?

[Brian37]

Atlas, if you are serious about poetry and serious about improving, you need to find a high-quality workshop forum and be prepared for hard work and intense critique. I use everypoet.org. They are brutal, but you’ll get serious, valuable feedback from folks who have actually been published. It’s an amazing resource if you actually care about improving, but it will probably traumatize you if you’re just looking for people to tell you that you’re good. It’s up to you in the end, but honestly, there isn’t much we can do for you here on an atheist forum, ya know?

Sorry, but art is just that. if someone wants to mimic a pattern so what? 

The worst thing anyone can do in art is copy or mimic. Nobody stands out by copying others. 

Jackson Pollock and Picasso are not art works I would hang on my wall.

@Atlass, just be yourself. If you want to read others and pattern after them, that is fine.

My advice is to read everything, but in the end be you.

[LadyForCamus]

Atlas, if you are serious about poetry and serious about improving, you need to find a high-quality workshop forum and be prepared for hard work and intense critique. I use everypoet.org. They are brutal, but you’ll get serious, valuable feedback from folks who have actually been published. It’s an amazing resource if you actually care about improving, but it will probably traumatize you if you’re just looking for people to tell you that you’re good. It’s up to you in the end, but honestly, there isn’t much we can do for you here on an atheist forum, ya know?

Sorry, but art is just that. if someone wants to mimic a pattern so what? 

The worst thing anyone can do in art is copy or mimic. Nobody stands out by copying others. 

Jackson Pollock and Picasso are not art works I would hang on my wall.

@Atlass, just be yourself. If you want to read others and pattern after them, that is fine.

My advice is to read everything, but in the end be you.

Are you implying there is no skill or forethought required to create poetry that affects people?  That concepts like word choice, syntax, tone, line breaks, sonics, and form are not important in crafting art in written form? If so, then you’re grossly underestimating the very thing you claim to love. Give the art of poetry a little more damn credit than that, will ya?

[Brian37]

Sorry, but art is just that. if someone wants to mimic a pattern so what? 

The worst thing anyone can do in art is copy or mimic. Nobody stands out by copying others. 

Jackson Pollock and Picasso are not art works I would hang on my wall.

@Atlass, just be yourself. If you want to read others and pattern after them, that is fine.

My advice is to read everything, but in the end be you.

Are you implying there is no skill or forethought required to create poetry that affects people?  That concepts like word choice, syntax, tone, line breaks, sonics, and form are not important in crafting art in written form? If so, then you’re grossly underestimating the very thing you claim to love. Give the art of poetry a little more damn credit than that, will ya?

I am saying not everyone needs to write like Shakespeare. When you go to a bar, or to a friends house do you constantly talk like that?

ART is ultimately subjective. PERIOD!

Art is simply what works. THAT IS IT. 

You do not get to decide what others like.