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RE: By chance?
February 10, 2020 at 10:39 am
(February 9, 2020 at 12:18 pm)Yukon_Jack Wrote: So someone here quoted
“The mutations may be random, the selection process is not. ”
Again, NS is wholly dependent upon 100% random mutations. Are you still denying this and calling me crazy? That’s rich
NS can only keep traits caused by 100% randomness and I know “evolution “ occurs over time
But tell me you find it normal happenstance
That a perfect set of owls eyes will appear?
I keep bringing this up because I want to know the logistics of how you fall for this crazy lucky coincidences.
You keep bringing it up because it is seemingly impossible to dumb down the explanation enough for you to follow it. If you were consistent in your thinking, it follows you would be dumbfounded at how a pile of rocks all less than an inch in diameter can be derived from a supply of RANDOMLY-sized rocks just because they went through a sieve.
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RE: By chance?
February 10, 2020 at 12:13 pm
(February 9, 2020 at 3:48 pm)SUNGULA Wrote: (February 9, 2020 at 3:47 pm)Abaddon_ire Wrote: If you toss an honest coin 1,000 times, you will average 500 heads and 500 tails, right? Oh he will just whine that eye spots unlike heads or tails doesn't have to happen .Because he says so.
Of course his claims are crazy Still curious to hear his answer. There are limited ways he can turn at this point, I just want to see which flavour of crazy he selects. Or has been instructed to select by his pastor over his shoulder. Or what is on his Sunday school homework. Or what the voices in his head told him. It really doesn't matter at this point which type of odd is in play. Could be magic fairies or unicorns for all I care. I am not interested in my or anyone's speculation. I want his honest answer. Will I get it? No idea. His magic book commands his honesty, and commands that he explain himself. Will he defy the instructions of his magic book? Let's find out.
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RE: By chance?
February 10, 2020 at 12:20 pm
(This post was last modified: February 10, 2020 at 12:23 pm by Simon Moon.)
(February 9, 2020 at 12:18 pm)Yukon_Jack Wrote: So someone here quoted
“The mutations may be random, the selection process is not. ”
Again, NS is wholly dependent upon 100% random mutations. Are you still denying this and calling me crazy? That’s rich
Random mutations are only a small part of natural selection. Mutations are a constant occurrence in each succeeding generation. You have 68 mutations that your parents did not have.
What drives natural selection, is the SELECTION process, which is not randfom.
Quote:NS can only keep traits caused by 100% randomness and I know “evolution “ occurs over time
No. Natural selection keeps traits because they are selected for because they instill a survival and reproductive advantage. The randomness of the mutation has nothing to do with why and how traits continue in populations.
Quote:But tell me you find it normal happenstance
That a perfect set of owls eyes will appear?
I keep bringing this up because I want to know the logistics of how you fall for this crazy lucky coincidences.
No luck involved.
Environmental pressures, put on populations, to select for traits that will instill a survival advantage, is not luck.
When humans bred wolves into dogs 10,000 years ago, was it luck that they picked the most social, and docile examples as their initial breeding stock? When they decided to breed early dogs into a dog that could hunt rabbits in holes, was it luck that they decided to pick dogs with unusually short legs (so they can more easily fit in hole) to breed into dachshunds?
The process in natural selection is no different than artificial selection. The only difference is the selection agent. Is it humans selecting for specific dog traits, or is it nature doing the selection for survival traits?
You'd believe if you just opened your heart" is a terrible argument for religion. It's basically saying, "If you bias yourself enough, you can convince yourself that this is true." If religion were true, people wouldn't need faith to believe it -- it would be supported by good evidence.
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RE: By chance?
February 10, 2020 at 1:20 pm
“It doesn't matter he will keep screaming NS is random and raving that because he thinks it unlikely it is.“
Can you read? I said mutations are 100% random
and you still think owls eyes were bound to happen no matter what.
Did both eyes appear at the same time do you think? Or did luck govern that the second one would appear in later generations?
How gullible you are!
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RE: By chance?
February 10, 2020 at 1:31 pm
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Yet , many insects have dozens of eyes. Yep, nothing but sheer ignorance about biology, sorry bud, I will let anyone willing to waste their time with you.
A hint. It's called bilateral symmetry and exists for far longer than apes, even dinossaurs do.
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RE: By chance?
February 10, 2020 at 1:52 pm
(February 10, 2020 at 1:20 pm)Yukon_Jack Wrote: “It doesn't matter he will keep screaming NS is random and raving that because he thinks it unlikely it is.“
Can you read? I said mutations are 100% random They are.
(February 10, 2020 at 1:20 pm)Yukon_Jack Wrote: and you still think owls eyes were bound to happen no matter what. Nope. I have no idea where you got that crank notion.
(February 10, 2020 at 1:20 pm)Yukon_Jack Wrote: Did both eyes appear at the same time do you think? Or did luck govern that the second one would appear in later generations? Possibly your dumbest yet. Its called bilateral symmetry, it is neither universal, nor uniform. It is well explained by evolution.
(February 10, 2020 at 1:20 pm)Yukon_Jack Wrote: How gullible you are! Really? A spooky beardy bloke in the sky is more plausible to you?
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RE: By chance?
February 10, 2020 at 1:53 pm
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(February 10, 2020 at 1:20 pm)Yukon_Jack Wrote: “It doesn't matter he will keep screaming NS is random and raving that because he thinks it unlikely it is.“
Can you read? I said mutations are 100% random
and you still think owls eyes were bound to happen no matter what.
Did both eyes appear at the same time do you think? Or did luck govern that the second one would appear in later generations?
How gullible you are!
No, they were not 'bound to happen'. They only happened because they provide a survival advantage.
If a new predator was introduced into the butterflies' environment that is not frightened by owls, the owl eye patterns on the butterflies' wings would be meaningless.
You'd believe if you just opened your heart" is a terrible argument for religion. It's basically saying, "If you bias yourself enough, you can convince yourself that this is true." If religion were true, people wouldn't need faith to believe it -- it would be supported by good evidence.
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RE: By chance?
February 10, 2020 at 3:29 pm
(February 10, 2020 at 1:20 pm)Yukon_Jack Wrote: “It doesn't matter he will keep screaming NS is random and raving that because he thinks it unlikely it is.“
Can you read? I said mutations are 100% random
and you still think owls eyes were bound to happen no matter what.
Did both eyes appear at the same time do you think? Or did luck govern that the second one would appear in later generations?
How gullible you are!
So this was comprehensively answered a while ago, so you obviously don't read the answers.
You can fix ignorance, you can't fix stupid.
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RE: By chance?
February 10, 2020 at 3:33 pm
Reading, and comprehending, are entirely different.
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RE: By chance?
February 10, 2020 at 4:17 pm
(February 10, 2020 at 3:29 pm)downbeatplumb Wrote: (February 10, 2020 at 1:20 pm)Yukon_Jack Wrote: “It doesn't matter he will keep screaming NS is random and raving that because he thinks it unlikely it is.“
Can you read? I said mutations are 100% random
and you still think owls eyes were bound to happen no matter what.
Did both eyes appear at the same time do you think? Or did luck govern that the second one would appear in later generations?
How gullible you are!
So this was comprehensively answered a while ago, so you obviously don't read the answers.
Well, he is quite obviously working to a script. Whenever anyone at all goes off the script he learned by rote, he has no idea what to do. The script is all he knows. Thus, when anyone of us chucks answers or questions falling outside the rote learned script, jack's easiest option is to simply ignore any such responses and pretend they never happened.
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