God as a non-creator

[Mr Greene]

Did any of those discoveries come from praying to the moongod?

Messiah has a point that can't be wished away by calling things disgusting, imagining what other people believe....that you don't, or whining that somebody is killing muslims somewhere.

It's a sad fact of contemporary belief that the people with the most vested interest in taking their god seriously will not or cannot do so.  You've volunteered numerous examples of this on the board, and do so above as well.  Did anyone ask you to imagine a void universe, or anything empty?  No.  You were asked whether or not you were capable of conceiving of a god that does not contradict facts.  That does not need apology.  A god that you would not sacrifice on the altar of a magic book.  It didn't create us, because we weren't created, but it's still a god.

Can you do that....?

Viewing other faiths as "a no-no" is a fact of life each and every human must take; it's called "personal opinion" and you're a hypocrite if you claim you don't view my faith -just like I view yours- a no-no.

You have your faith, I have mine, end of story. What comes next is me not killing you over it, and for you to do the exact same.

It's not a surprise; life is full of different opinions, thus we should collaborate to build something good, not escalate things leading each other to war over it.

Can you do that, too ?

And yes; non-believers claim that no God wanted to cover humanity with his mercy.
Non-believers ignore the question about "what was before" the big bang; theists say otherwise.

I believe in one of the claims about "the otherwise".
What's the big deal ?

False; I for one looked at Islam but found it to rely on the same unsupported claims as Xtianity and Judaism.
I looked at beliefs from Greeks, Norse, Celts, Hindus, Mongols, Dogon, Babongo and more.
The gods are a reflection of the people who created them and their perception of the environment in which they live.

[Fireball]

Non-believers ignore the question about "what was before" the big bang; theists say otherwise

It isn’t so much that we ‘ignore’ it, we simply recognize it as a non-sensical non-question.  It’s like asking ‘What colour is seventeen?’ or ‘How fast is Tuesday?’

Boru

I knew a girl named Wednesday in High School. She was pretty fast and really pretty, too. She had a kid right out of school. Not mine.

[Belacqua]

Non-believers ignore the question about "what was before" the big bang; theists say otherwise.

Yes, the first to speculate on this question was St. Augustine, in the long discussion of the nature of time in his Confessions. 

Of course he didn't use the term "big bang," but he did address the feasibility of talking about the concept of "before" anything was created. He thought that time in the absence of anything else didn't make sense. 

I've always suspected that The Reverend Monsignor Georges Lemaître probably knew Augustine's thoughts on this pretty well.

[Fake Messiah]

Non-believers ignore the question about "what was before" the big bang; theists say otherwise.

Yes, the first to speculate on this question was St. Augustine, in the long discussion of the nature of time in his Confessions. 

Of course he didn't use the term "big bang," but he did address the feasibility of talking about the concept of "before" anything was created. He thought that time in the absence of anything else didn't make sense. 

I've always suspected that The Reverend Monsignor Georges Lemaître probably knew Augustine's thoughts on this pretty well.

Actually people always speculated what was going on before the universe started. Like Greeks considered it was chaos before "creation"/ universe. As did Chinese who thought everything started in chaos. The universe was like a black egg. A god named Pan Gu, wielding an axe, breaks the egg and the heavens begin to expand.
Tahitian thought that god Taaroa existed before the universe, who just was. He was alone and he called in every direction and since there were no replies he changed himself into a universe.

And so on...