Andrew Zimmern, "What's Eating America"..

[Mr.wizard]

It's a silly comment because you could actually turn it around right back at her. Can she be in congress? Does she have the skills? Could she last a day? Now I will agree that working in Congress is not exactly back breaking work but it does carry alot more responsibilty and scrutiny than picking strawberries. Besides being a manager or an owner doesn't mean you have to work along side your employees in order to be able to crituque their job performance, it is your job to manage the business and make sure everyone is doing the right thing for the business, it is the kitchen staffs job to work in tje kitchen and you know what they say, " If you can't take the heat, get out of the kitchen".

[arewethereyet]

The restaurant where I worked was a supper club.  It was open at night...when we teens were available for the work.  The only adults were the cooks and the waitresses.  Yeah, there were no waiters.  Guys where I grew up did farm work.

No, the only adults were cooks and waitresses?


HA HA HA  HA HA HA HA HAHAHAHHAHAHAH

Maybe in the stint you did. But in the real world adults are behind the counter, your hostess, and your dishwasher too. 

I have worked at multiple restaurants, and every single time, we had every age at every position you could think of. 

I worked at a Papa Johns and had store managers who had pimples and drivers who had wrinkles.

Okay Brian.  The owners were adults.  They tended bar, hosted/hostessed and the man also butchered the meat.

Talking about kitchen work included the cooks, the waitresses, and we dishwashers/food preppers.

The place was only open at night - did you get that part?  It was a fancy sit down dining establishment.

The waitresses bussed the tables.  We teens weren't allowed in the dining area because of the presence of liquor and the way the laws were then.  So no, there weren't teens taking pizza coupons at any counter and there weren't any adults doing what we teens did.

Your mileage may vary.

[Rhizomorph13]

I'm genuinely confused about you working 7 years as a dishwasher...

It didn't occur to you to move up within the organization at least? Or pick a job with more forward progress? Were you like, working on a book or something?

[Brian37]

No, the only adults were cooks and waitresses?


HA HA HA  HA HA HA HA HAHAHAHHAHAHAH

Maybe in the stint you did. But in the real world adults are behind the counter, your hostess, and your dishwasher too. 

I have worked at multiple restaurants, and every single time, we had every age at every position you could think of. 

I worked at a Papa Johns and had store managers who had pimples and drivers who had wrinkles.

Okay Brian.  The owners were adults.  They tended bar, hosted/hostessed and the man also butchered the meat.

Talking about kitchen work included the cooks, the waitresses, and we dishwashers/food preppers.

The place was only open at night - did you get that part?  It was a fancy sit down dining establishment.

The waitresses bussed the tables.  We teens weren't allowed in the dining area because of the presence of liquor and the way the laws were then.  So no, there weren't teens taking pizza coupons at any counter and there weren't any adults doing what we teens did.

Your mileage may vary.

WAKE UP....

I don't care what you claimed what happened at one job you had. IN THE REAL WORLD, people who are in the their late 20s/30s/40s/50s work the jobs media stupidly sells as "starter jobs". 

Of course teens aren't allowed in the bar area. NO SHIT. But what does that have to do with a busser or dishwasher being my age or older? You think I have only had one job in my life?

I have seen bussers and dishwashers older than me. I have worked with hostesses who were almost as old as my mother. 

I am sick of this age role bullshit. A job is a job. If you are not robbing a bank, I don't give a fuck what your age is, or what the position is, if you can do it, and you do it well, you deserve it.

[BrianSoddingBoru4]

The restaurant where I worked was a supper club.  It was open at night...when we teens were available for the work.  The only adults were the cooks and the waitresses.  Yeah, there were no waiters.  Guys where I grew up did farm work.

No, the only adults were cooks and waitresses?


HA HA HA  HA HA HA HA HAHAHAHHAHAHAH

Maybe in the stint you did. But in the real world adults are behind the counter, your hostess, and your dishwasher too. 

I have worked at multiple restaurants, and every single time, we had every age at every position you could think of. 

I worked at a Papa Johns and had store managers who had pimples and drivers who had wrinkles.

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I agree.



I agree.



Don't tell me to shut up.  You're not my REAL mum.

And, for the record, I've probably harvest more crops than you've eaten.



I said that ONE comment by ONE woman was stupid (and it was).  I said nothing about her personally, nothing about her work ethic.  How is that pissing on anyone?

Boru

I am sure you have harvested more crops than I have. I have harvested absolutely ZERO,! Which is why it makes no sense to me why you'd object to what that migrant was saying. 

I can admit I don't want do do what she did, or you claim to have done.

But for you to claim nobody should or does look down on that work is bullshit.

I agree completely that nobody should look down on that kind of work. Where - exactly - did I claim that nobody does?

Boru

[Brian37]

I'm genuinely confused about you working 7 years as a dishwasher...

It didn't occur to you to move up within the organization at least? Or pick a job with more forward progress? Were you like, working on a book or something?

Why?

I had an honest job, I enjoyed it, well, up until the new owner took over. 

Why would I want to do things I don't want to do? I was damned good at what I did. I did all the shit work nobody in the kitchen wanted to do, and since between the old owners higherring me, and the new owner firing me, the old owners gave me TWO raises without me asking, and without asking me to change positions. 

The original owners tried to get me to stick to script, which I did not. I got tired of waiting on bussing tables, and tired of the cooks dragging their feet putting up the truck.  At first they fought me on it, but when they realized I knew what I was doing they let me go. I was also damned good at inspection too. All I did not want to do in that kitchen was cook.  The original owners simply left me alone, and the kitchen was happy because all the cooks had to focus on was cooking. 

Why would I want to be a cook or general manager? Because society says so? I did more at my position than any of the cooks or store managers wanted to do. All I wanted was for them to stay out of my way, and up until the new owner they did for the most part.

[Mr.wizard]

How come the people who get fired are always the best employees who do the most work, I just can't understand it?

[arewethereyet]

Okay Brian.  The owners were adults.  They tended bar, hosted/hostessed and the man also butchered the meat.

Talking about kitchen work included the cooks, the waitresses, and we dishwashers/food preppers.

The place was only open at night - did you get that part?  It was a fancy sit down dining establishment.

The waitresses bussed the tables.  We teens weren't allowed in the dining area because of the presence of liquor and the way the laws were then.  So no, there weren't teens taking pizza coupons at any counter and there weren't any adults doing what we teens did.

Your mileage may vary.

WAKE UP....

I don't care what you claimed what happened at one job you had. IN THE REAL WORLD, people who are in the their late 20s/30s/40s/50s work the jobs media stupidly sells as "starter jobs". 

Of course teens aren't allowed in the bar area. NO SHIT. But what does that have to do with a busser or dishwasher being my age or older? You think I have only had one job in my life?

I have seen bussers and dishwashers older than me. I have worked with hostesses who were almost as old as my mother. 

I am sick of this age role bullshit. A job is a job. If you are not robbing a bank, I don't give a fuck what your age is, or what the position is, if you can do it, and you do it well, you deserve it.

What I was doing was in the real world.   It just so happens it doesn't fit your narrow narrative.

There is nothing wrong with doing that type of work.  People often want to do more if they are able to do more.  Some people get stuck in that sort of job for one reason or another and it's difficult to understand for some of us.  I didn't like the mindlessness of working in a die cast toy factory but some people worked there their entire working lives.  I made it two months  at the Ertl farm toy factory one summer during high school.  My dad got me that job so I would know it wasn't what I wanted.  I can't just shut my brain off and work like a robot...some can.

There's nothing wrong with performing a menial job if that's what you want to do.  And it appears that's what you wanted to do.

Your issue seems to be that you managed to write your own working rules under an owner that gave up and let you do so.  You are pissed that your way didn't fly with the new owner.  No matter how much you don't like it, the new owner was the new boss and it was play by his/her/corporate rules or move on.  It's often not in the best interest to let one person buck the rules as then you end up with others who think they can make their own rules...then no rules are followed.

No matter how good you were at what you were doing things were different when you, along with the business, were basically sold to new owners.

[Brian37]

How come the people who get fired are always the best employees who do the most work, I just can't understand it?

Not always.

I did a stint at a major  pizz a long time ago. I noticed that the shift and store managers got fired far quicker than the insiders and drivers. 

Store managers are paid to count beans and delegate. That does not mean they do most of the physical work. 

Not that I would ever own a restaurant. But if it is all about quality, I would hire a bean counter, and do all the shit work my employees don't want to do to make their lives easier.

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WAKE UP....

I don't care what you claimed what happened at one job you had. IN THE REAL WORLD, people who are in the their late 20s/30s/40s/50s work the jobs media stupidly sells as "starter jobs". 

Of course teens aren't allowed in the bar area. NO SHIT. But what does that have to do with a busser or dishwasher being my age or older? You think I have only had one job in my life?

I have seen bussers and dishwashers older than me. I have worked with hostesses who were almost as old as my mother. 

I am sick of this age role bullshit. A job is a job. If you are not robbing a bank, I don't give a fuck what your age is, or what the position is, if you can do it, and you do it well, you deserve it.

What I was doing was in the real world.   It just so happens it doesn't fit your narrow narrative.

There is nothing wrong with doing that type of work.  People often want to do more if they are able to do more.  Some people get stuck in that sort of job for one reason or another and it's difficult to understand for some of us.  I didn't like the mindlessness of working in a die cast toy factory but some people worked there their entire working lives.  I made it two months  at the Ertl farm toy factory one summer during high school.  My dad got me that job so I would know it wasn't what I wanted.  I can't just shut my brain off and work like a robot...some can.

There's nothing wrong with performing a menial job if that's what you want to do.  And it appears that's what you wanted to do.

Your issue seems to be that you managed to write your own working rules under an owner that gave up and let you do so.  You are pissed that your way didn't fly with the new owner.  No matter how much you don't like it, the new owner was the new boss and it was play by his/her/corporate rules or move on.  It's often not in the best interest to let one person buck the rules as then you end up with others who think they can make their own rules...then no rules are followed.

No matter how good you were at what you were doing things were different when you, along with the business, were basically sold to new owners.

You are the one with the narrow narrative.

I can tell you, think of any job in the world, that most would call "no skill" or "meaneal", and I can tell you that is BULLSHIT. Dishwasher, busser, trash collector, janitor, fry cook, you name it, EVERY AGE IN THE WORLD DOES  IT, not just teens.

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The new owner didn't appreciate what he had, and as pissed as I was at him not having the guts to fire me to my face, he still failed and would have even if I had never worked there.

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Fuck the word "menial", there is no such thing Every job takes skill. Easy to learn does not mean easy to do under heavy traffic.

[arewethereyet]

How come the people who get fired are always the best employees who do the most work, I just can't understand it?

Not always.

I did a stint at a major  pizz a long time ago. I noticed that the shift and store managers got fired far quicker than the insiders and drivers. 

Store managers are paid to count beans and delegate. That does not mean they do most of the physical work. 

Not that I would ever own a restaurant. But if it is all about quality, I would hire a bean counter, and do all the shit work my employees don't want to do to make their lives easier.

---

What I was doing was in the real world.   It just so happens it doesn't fit your narrow narrative.

There is nothing wrong with doing that type of work.  People often want to do more if they are able to do more.  Some people get stuck in that sort of job for one reason or another and it's difficult to understand for some of us.  I didn't like the mindlessness of working in a die cast toy factory but some people worked there their entire working lives.  I made it two months  at the Ertl farm toy factory one summer during high school.  My dad got me that job so I would know it wasn't what I wanted.  I can't just shut my brain off and work like a robot...some can.

There's nothing wrong with performing a menial job if that's what you want to do.  And it appears that's what you wanted to do.

Your issue seems to be that you managed to write your own working rules under an owner that gave up and let you do so.  You are pissed that your way didn't fly with the new owner.  No matter how much you don't like it, the new owner was the new boss and it was play by his/her/corporate rules or move on.  It's often not in the best interest to let one person buck the rules as then you end up with others who think they can make their own rules...then no rules are followed.

No matter how good you were at what you were doing things were different when you, along with the business, were basically sold to new owners.

You are the one with the narrow narrative.

I can tell you, think of any job in the world, that most would call "no skill" or "meaneal", and I can tell you that is BULLSHIT. Dishwasher, busser, trash collector, janitor, fry cook, you name it, EVERY AGE IN THE WORLD DOES  IT, not just teens.

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The new owner didn't appreciate what he had, and as pissed as I was at him not having the  guts to fire me to my face, he still failed and would have even if I had never worked there.

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Fuck the word "menial", there is no such thing Every job takes skill. Easy to learn does not mean easy to do under heavy traffic.

You don't get to define the language.  We, as a group, come up with an accepted definition and go with that.

menial
[ˈmēnēəl]


ADJECTIVE

1. (of work) not requiring much skill and lacking prestige.
   "menial factory jobs"
   synonyms:
   unskilled · lowly · humble · low-grade · low-status · routine · humdrum · boring · dull · degrading · mean · inferior · unworthy · blue-collar
   

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NOUN
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1. a person with a menial job.