Official live update of spread of COVID19

[BrianSoddingBoru4]

Ah, like “equivocally, @1/3 of the members that have ever registered at this form died of Covid yesterday in the US.”

I just think it’s a shitty way to raise awareness. @4k isn’t that he’d of a number to imagine.

True, it’s not hard to imagine, but it does help to put it into some sort of perspective. If you tell someone that a sinkhole 100m long and 50m wide just opened up, they’ll understand it, but if you tell them a sinkhole the size of a football pitch opened up, they’ll grasp it.

Boru

[tackattack]

It’s that some sort of perspective that I have a problem with. And intentionally emotive one by spurious use of a tragedy just seems in bad taste to me. Why not just say “6 barrack fulls of aushwitz Jews just died yesterday of Covid” ? Or “the Approximately same number of 15-24 yr olds that died in the US of homicide in 2018”

[BrianSoddingBoru4]

It’s that some sort of perspective that I have a problem with. And intentionally emotive one by spurious use of a tragedy just seems in bad taste to me. Why not just say “6 barrack fulls of aushwitz Jews just died yesterday of Covid” ? Or “the Approximately same number of 15-24 yr olds that died in the US of homicide in 2018”

Because those numbers aren't relatable to most people. Most people know what a planeload of people looks like, very few are up on the barracks capacity at Auschwitz or the demographics of homicide from two years ago. If I were to say, for example, 'More people have already died of COVID in just 12 months than died in The Great Hunger in four years', most people wouldn't have a clue what I was talking about.

I don't see how comparing deaths from one cause it to another is spurious or in bad taste. Would you object to the statement, 'More people are killed every year in car crashes than are murdered in the inner cities'?

Boru

[ignoramus]

tack, I understand both sides. I don't mind the emotive strategy. Many in the US won't listen to logic, reason and common sense, including Trump. How else to get the message across? You use emotion. It works. Religion is built on this strategy.

[tackattack]

It’s that some sort of perspective that I have a problem with. And intentionally emotive one by spurious use of a tragedy just seems in bad taste to me. Why not just say “6 barrack fulls of aushwitz Jews just died yesterday of Covid” ? Or “the Approximately same number of 15-24 yr olds that died in the US of homicide in 2018”

Because those numbers aren't relatable to most people. Most people know what a planeload of people looks like, very few are up on the barracks capacity at Auschwitz or the demographics of homicide from two years ago. If I were to say, for example, 'More people have already died of COVID in just 12 months than died in The Great Hunger in four years', most people wouldn't have a clue what I was talking about.

I don't see how comparing deaths from one cause it to another is spurious or in bad taste. Would you object to the statement, 'More people are killed every year in car crashes than are murdered in the inner cities'?

Boru

I wouldn’t have a problem saying “that almost 8 full airbus 830 died yesterday of Covid “ because it’s not utilizing a recent tragedy for emotive only gain. If the facts aren’t strong enough to stand without emotionalism then they’re not strong enough. Which leads to ignoramus’ very good point...

tack, I understand both sides. I don't mind the emotive strategy. Many in the US won't listen to logic, reason and common sense, including Trump. How else to get the message across? You use emotion. It works. Religion is built on this strategy.

Yes, modern religion was built upon capitalizing on fear-mongerIng and swaying opinions through emotive pleas. Isn’t that part of the problem? I also agree that many in the US, and elsewhere, have a problem with reason and that it works. I just don’t personally believe it’s worth the cost.

You don’t help people out of the muck by slinging more muck at them.

[Fake Messiah]

Rudy has COVID-19 and this was happening like 3 days ago

[Aegon]

It’s that some sort of perspective that I have a problem with. And intentionally emotive one by spurious use of a tragedy just seems in bad taste to me. Why not just say “6 barrack fulls of aushwitz Jews just died yesterday of Covid” ? Or “the Approximately same number of 15-24 yr olds that died in the US of homicide in 2018”

I think it's extremely helpful to compare COVID numbers to something that might click better for some folks, especially as so many Americans remain relatively apathetic toward the virus overall.

Like this account: https://twitter.com/COVIDCityUSA 

281,186 deaths is more than the population of any of these cities:

St Petersburg, Florida (265,351)
Fort Wayne, Indiana (270,402)
Toledo, Ohio (272,779)
Chula Vista, California (274,492)
Durham, North Carolina (278,993)

[tackattack]

@Aegon and I'm all for comparisons. That example works fine for a number comparison like that. It's not utilizing a recent unrelated tragedy for its emotional value to just get people riled up so they'll care. There's a difference between people seeing and comprehending the number clearly and appropriating a tragedy for an emotive response.

[Rhizomorph13]

@Aegon  and I'm all for comparisons. That example works fine for a number comparison like that. It's not utilizing a recent unrelated tragedy for its emotional value to just get people riled up so they'll care. There's a difference between people seeing and comprehending the number clearly and appropriating a tragedy for an emotive response.

So, you've now argued multiple times in this thread against having an emotional response to covid deaths. Um, why shouldn't we try to get people to have an emotional response to covid? What value is there in only soberly assessing the number of deaths without emotional attachment? Am I mischaracterizing what you are getting at?

[tackattack]

@Rhizomorph13 sorry if I restated my case multiple time. I thought that some responses were still missing my point. Yes you have stated that correctly. Other than it being a fallacy of appealing to emotion, I believe is both morally wrong to appropriate tragic deaths and it adds to the already emotional irrationality of the cesspool of stupidity that exists in the US regarding Covid, vaccines and masks. I don't believe any of these reason elevate the conversation.