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Atheists: What if Trump addressed your issues in America. Would you vote for him?
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RE: Atheists: What if Trump addressed your issues in America. Would you vote for him?
(March 29, 2020 at 9:39 am)Rahn127 Wrote: If we were voting who the first person we send to Mars is, then and only then would Trump get my vote.

He would be our first President of Mars.
Let's make this happen.

Only if we intent to Use mars permanently and exclusively as a penal colony, like Australia.

(March 29, 2020 at 1:07 pm)Alex K Wrote: If he demanded compulsory Euclidean ststistical field theory lessons in every elementary school, sure I'd vote for him. If only I were a US citizen.

He can’t demand what he can’t type on tweeter.

(March 29, 2020 at 11:40 am)arewethereyet Wrote: If Trump said that he would jump off a cliff (a really tall one) if reelected I would give it serious thought.


But the bottom of the cliff deserves better.

(March 29, 2020 at 11:38 am)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: My chief issue is that Trump isn’t fit to be president. If he is willing to address that issue, I’d campaign for him.

Boru

Too late.  He can’t turn back time.

(March 29, 2020 at 11:18 am)Rev. Rye Wrote: Maybe if he wasn’t committed to destroying the environment, pushing white supremacy, blatantly gaslighting the American people, locking up illegal immigrants in Concentration camps, repealing net neutrality, Pushing back human rights as far as is legally allowable, destroying any financial safety net poor people may have, rolling back what little shot Obamacare gave America had at the sort of universal health care that virtually every other developed nation has taken for granted for DECADES, spending billions on a border wall that will almost certainly fail at curbing illegal immigration, and generally acting like the mayor in Jaws who cares more about the Fourth of July celebrations than the fucking shark that’s eating his townspeople during the Coronavirus pandemic (with the added bonus of apparently wanting the big menace to kill a non-negligible part of the population.)

If he changed all of that, maybe we can talk. Maybe.



In other words, if he agrees to turn himself into pig feed for pigs that would never be consumed by humans, then.....

Nah......

Even then I won’t vote for him.   Even the most unredeemable pigs deserves better.

(March 29, 2020 at 10:28 am)onlinebiker Wrote: If you think all atheists have the same political leanings - you don't understand what makes an atheist.



We are large and include all sorts, some with vast regret.

(March 29, 2020 at 10:20 am)The Grand Nudger Wrote: Apparently, this is the actual demographic of the swing voters democrats are angling for.  Why we needed a moderate incrementalist who was old and white and male.  

We imagine that swing voters are socially liberal fiscal consewrvatives.  They aren't.  They're socially conservative fiscal liberals.  Bigots for sale.  People who would vote for a white supremacist administration if it benefited them personally.



We need left wing voters who recognize capitalism is powerful and without it we would be crippled.

We need right wing voters who recognize capitalism is great for them except that if left to run wild it would set up environmental collapse, social revolution and the modern equivalent of the guillotine for their kind.
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RE: Atheists: What if Trump addressed your issues in America. Would you vote for him?
(March 29, 2020 at 10:36 am)Mr.wizard Wrote:
(March 29, 2020 at 8:46 am)Sanau Wrote: Example

Trump: Nobody respects Atheists like i do. Believe me. I will win bigly, and Atheists are the most wonderful people.

What issue exactly is being addressed by your example?
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RE: Atheists: What if Trump addressed your issues in America. Would you vote for him?
I'd rather ride a seatless bike down a 25 mile stretch of uneven railroad tracks
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RE: Atheists: What if Trump addressed your issues in America. Would you vote for him?
(March 29, 2020 at 8:46 am)Sanau Wrote: Example

Trump: Nobody respects Atheists like i do. Believe me. I will win bigly, and Atheists are the most wonderful people.

Doesn't matter! Even with Trumps endorsement it will be years before an atheist can hold a major office in the U.S. On the flip side, The Moron in Chief's endorsement would set us back decades.
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RE: Atheists: What if Trump addressed your issues in America. Would you vote for him?
(March 29, 2020 at 8:46 am)Sanau Wrote: Example

Trump: Nobody respects Atheists like i do. Believe me. I will win bigly, and Atheists are the most wonderful people.
I don't base my politics on my Atheism that's just my stance on claims about god .I'm a progressive and Trump is the Antithesis of everything i believe .
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RE: Atheists: What if Trump addressed your issues in America. Would you vote for him?
(March 29, 2020 at 8:46 am)Sanau Wrote: Example

Trump: Nobody respects Atheists like i do. Believe me. I will win bigly, and Atheists are the most wonderful people.

That sort of pandering would make me not vote for a candidate, much less Trumplethinskin.

I just watched him in a press conference, unable to understand why hospitals are using so much more PPE. That's a whole new level stoopid.
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RE: Atheists: What if Trump addressed your issues in America. Would you vote for him?
(March 29, 2020 at 9:39 am)Chad32 Wrote: I'd vote for anyone who enacted policies that actually helped me, instead of gutting regulations and giving money to people and corporations that already have the lion's share of money. We just went through a primary where people constantly asked Bernie how we're going to pay for medicare for all, yet when the stock market crashed they suddenly have over 4 trillion dollars to pump into it.

This. And there's lots of other stuff to consider too, like whether something like UBI should be phased in, what to do about climate change and how best to replace capitalism (because frankly given what we've seen over the last twelve years that system of economics is broken beyond repair).
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RE: Atheists: What if Trump addressed your issues in America. Would you vote for him?
Before politics, before being 'for' my particular issues, I want my president to be decent and competent. I would never vote for Trump unless the alternative was worse, and we're pretty well screwed if that's the situation.
I'm not anti-Christian. I'm anti-stupid.
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RE: Atheists: What if Trump addressed your issues in America. Would you vote for him?
(March 29, 2020 at 1:12 pm)Anomalocaris Wrote: We need left wing voters who recognize capitalism is powerful and without it we would be crippled.

Capitalism isn't powerful. As has been repeatedly demonstrated capitalism is a self destructive system of economic usage which has a lifetime of about thirty years, as has been demonstrated over and over again. While having an avenue for profitmaking be in an economic system, any system which devises all it's rules based on making profit (especially so if the profits are short term) is not going to work.

Over time a mixed system of profit and non profit entities with the state as the most important (if not dominant) actor has come out well ahead of any capitalistic system, even in the USA.
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RE: Atheists: What if Trump addressed your issues in America. Would you vote for him?
(March 30, 2020 at 9:09 am)Nomad Wrote:
(March 29, 2020 at 1:12 pm)Anomalocaris Wrote: We need left wing voters who recognize capitalism is powerful and without it we would be crippled.

Capitalism isn't powerful.  As has been repeatedly demonstrated capitalism is a self destructive system of economic usage which has a lifetime of about thirty years, as has been demonstrated over and over again.  While having an avenue for profitmaking be in an economic system, any system which devises all it's rules based on making profit (especially so if the profits are short term) is not going to work.

Over time a mixed system of profit and non profit entities with the state as the most important (if not dominant) actor has come out well ahead of any capitalistic system, even in the USA.

Powerful and self-destructive are orthogonal, not muturally contradictory.   

A ultimately self-destructive system that can overwhelm and submerge other theoretically more stable systems while it lasted is all powerful despite its instability.     The fate of any system that eschew what makes capitalistic system powerful in favor of some other aesthetic concern is very likely to be crushed by someone else’s capitalism.

(March 30, 2020 at 8:59 am)Mister Agenda Wrote: Before politics, before being 'for' my particular issues, I want my president to be decent and competent. I would never vote for Trump unless the alternative was worse, and we're pretty well screwed if that's the situation.

A worse alternative to what trump had been would be trump tomorrow.
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