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If there is a God(s) it/they clearly don't want us to believe in them, no?
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RE: If there is a God(s) it/they clearly don't want us to believe in them, no?
(April 4, 2020 at 10:16 am)Editz Wrote: What with the whole yawning, gaping, cavernous absence of ANY actual evidence they exist, together with cot deaths, congenital birth defects, malaria, sickle cell anemia, tsunamis and a thousand million other things which amount to the suffering of (relative, at least) innocents.

We don't know. Just because this stuff is unsettling for us doesn't mean it's some inherent unjust feature of a universe created by a deity.

If atheists hate arguments from ignorance in favor of a deity, they should equally hate objections from ignorance, and this is one of them.
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RE: If there is a God(s) it/they clearly don't want us to believe in them, no?
(April 4, 2020 at 6:26 pm)Klorophyll Wrote: We don't know. Just because this stuff is unsettling for us doesn't mean it's some inherent unjust feature of a universe created by a deity.

"we don't know"? So do you also look at the holocaust and say "Just because this stuff is unsettling for us doesn't mean it's unjust or that Hitler was bad. We just don't know."?
teachings of the Bible are so muddled and self-contradictory that it was possible for Christians to happily burn heretics alive for five long centuries. It was even possible for the most venerated patriarchs of the Church, like St. Augustine and St. Thomas Aquinas, to conclude that heretics should be tortured (Augustine) or killed outright (Aquinas). Martin Luther and John Calvin advocated the wholesale murder of heretics, apostates, Jews, and witches. - Sam Harris, "Letter To A Christian Nation"
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RE: If there is a God(s) it/they clearly don't want us to believe in them, no?
From another angle entirely...any existent god (that we're assuming isn't an evil god, for reasons) - looking at what people do with their god beliefs...would very much prefer that we didn't.

Obviously that doesn't follow if we posit that god just fucking loves what people do with god beliefs. It's a real popcorn muncher down here.
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