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RE: So, what is it that Trump should have done differently?
April 17, 2020 at 12:10 pm
(April 16, 2020 at 8:56 pm)Prof.Lunaphiles Wrote: This guy writing for the New York Times claims expertise in the title of the article that he writes to try to mitigate his failure to generate an effective plan: I used to run the C.D.C. here’s what it can do to slow this pandemic. The Times backs him up with a description of the similar epidemics during his tenure in the Obama Administration.
Quote:Dr. Frieden is a former director of the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention during the Obama administration, overseeing the federal responses to the H1N1 influenza, Ebola and Zika epidemics.
http://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/12/opinio...virus.html
But I think it is pretty obvious now, to even the smartest of atheists, that a warning system should have been in place, and it is obvious that the ObamaCare policy directives did not have such a system, because the Obamamites would be referring to it.
I am going to claim to be the first person to generate a warning system that is easy to follow and understand, and that the Trump Administration is basically doing it, because what else could the federal government do?
a warning schedule proposal:
0. All clear - no government warnings
1. Emerging communicable disease in the world - issue of international travel screening.
2. Communicable disease on the continent - issue domestic travel screening.
3. Communicable disease in the region - issue personal protective measures.
4. Communicable disease in local area - issue social distancing measures.
5. Communicable disease local pandemic - martial law.
And then basically, the “reopening of the economy,” goes in the rescinding of the warning levels.
So, what did Trump do that was so wrong? Remember, he was being tried for high crimes and misdemeanors, and remember Speaker Pelosi ripping up his State of the Union remarks - what is that supposed to signify to the American people about trusting Trump's administration??
Well, the Obama administration *did* have a team set up to deal with potential pandemics. The Trump administration dismantled it.
Trump should NOT have said, repeatedly, that 'everything is under control'. That was a flat out lie.
Trump should have begun making sure ventilators, masks, and other equipment was sufficient and made available to the states.
Trump should have taken the threat seriously LONG before he did. Closing the border to China was helpful, but neglecting the internal readiness was criminal.
Trump should NOT have been promoting untested treatments. He put many lives in danger by his actions.
Trump should have prepared so that states do not now have to compete against each other for vital supplies. Instead, the federal government should be supplying those necessities. By his failure to act, he has put more lives in danger.
Trump should take responsibility for his failures and seek for ways to rectify them instead of placing blame on anyone and everyone else.
If Trump was too distracted by the impeachment proceedings, which had already run their course by the time the virus showed up, then he isn't fit for the office of the president. Other presidents have continued to do their duties in spite of harsh criticism and even impeachment.
Trump should NOT have been trumpeting his 'ratings' when the country is in crisis. At the very least it shows a lack of perspective.
Trump should have told the truth early and often about the risks and to be honest about what is known and not known. he seems to be completely unable to do this in any endeavor, but it was necessary for safety in this one.
All that Trump has done is show that he is an egotistical, incompetent blowhard who fails to take responsibility for his own failures.
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RE: So, what is it that Trump should have done differently?
April 17, 2020 at 12:33 pm
(April 17, 2020 at 12:04 pm)CarveTheFive Wrote: Every American shares the blame for how we are letting this thing spread.
Bullshit.
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RE: So, what is it that Trump should have done differently?
April 17, 2020 at 1:21 pm
ALMOST every American then.
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RE: So, what is it that Trump should have done differently?
April 17, 2020 at 1:52 pm
Though it’s not precisely the question the OP asked, I have a suggestion as to how Trump could be a better president in three easy steps:
1. Hold a firecracker between his teeth.
2. Light the firecracker.
3. Jam his head up his arse.
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RE: So, what is it that Trump should have done differently?
April 17, 2020 at 1:55 pm
(April 17, 2020 at 12:10 pm)polymath257 Wrote: Trump should take responsibility for his failures and seek for ways to rectify them instead of placing blame on anyone and everyone else.
I believe he is unable to do such a thing...
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RE: So, what is it that Trump should have done differently?
April 18, 2020 at 6:59 am
Honestly, from day one, Trump really has resisted any kind of lock down. He's so worried about the stock market and he's listening more to marketing majors than STEM majors that he's going to mess this up, big time. We're flattening the curve, in spite of his MANY missteps, but if you take your foot off the gas pedal now, things are just going to spike back up again.
And I think that's been kinda the problem with republican ideology in general over the past 20-30 years: it's been extremely hostile to evidence based science, intellectualism and academia. They listen to slick business majors left and right, but once a science major comes up and tells them that 2+2=4, they throw a fit and spend the next 5 years fighting to get the government to back them up. And when you have a real, immediate problem that's based on real science, believing 2+2=5 will get millions killed.
Until Trump came along, even though the republican base has always thought like this, their elected officials were at least smart enough not to act on it. Trump changed that. He is the republican id. Sure, he has campaign people and public relations people trying to keep him in check and the republican media is working overtime to spin his antics into something reasonable, but when you still boil it all down, you still have the worst extremes of the republican party, doing whatever the hell they want and nobody is holding them back.
I have a bad feeling that the recovery from the coronavirus is going to be a HUGE clusterfuck, especially in red states where the elected officials are all big Trump fans. I know here, in Oklahoma, just before before everything was shut down our governor got dragged for proudly tweeting about being in a crowded restaurant with his family. I'd be willing to bet other states have similar stories about their elected officials. And all those red states, the ones we already know are going to vote for Trump in the 2020 election, I have a bad feeling that their recovery and reopening is going to be a huge clusterfuck that are going to have much higher death tolls than they should. We already have riots in Michigan and other states of people demanding we open everything back up and I have to wonder, how many infections and deaths could be avoided if those people would just stay home?
I would hope that this will be what convinces the public to stop supporting republicans and realize that the republican philosophy doesn't look out for them, but the democrats are painfully bad at marketing themselves and don't know how to spread a message that resounds with people.
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RE: So, what is it that Trump should have done differently?
April 18, 2020 at 7:27 am
First Trump was a xenophobe for overreacting, now he didn't respond early enough... Hehehe only in America
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RE: So, what is it that Trump should have done differently?
April 18, 2020 at 7:41 am
(April 18, 2020 at 7:27 am)Agnostico Wrote: First Trump was a xenophobe for overreacting, now he didn't respond early enough... Hehehe only in America
The only thing he did early is a travel ban. Yeah, he's been a racist nationalist all along so I can totally see him doing that. The fact that he only shut down travel to and from China was the problem.
But there was a LOT more he could have done to get us ready.
Remember how he's blaming Obama for not maintaining the emergency stock of medical supplies? What was he doing over the past 3 years? Why didn't he do that?
Remember the pandemic response team? Trump ditched them. They might have had a better idea on how to deal with this before it became a pandemic.
Remember how he told everyone to go to work, even if they're feeling sick? How many infections would have been prevented if he had not said that?
Remember how he said it would disappear with warm weather? When he said it was a hoax by the democrats/media? Remember when he said there were just 15 cases and soon there would be none?
Remember how he bitched and moaned about who was to blame for the virus instead of finding a solution to it?
Remember how he's not actually shut down very much, instead relying on the individual states to shut everything down? Having individual states write their own shut down rules is like having a peeing section for your pool.
Remember how he's been more worried about the stock market and the economy than people's lives?
Remember? REMEMBER! Remember! REMEMBER!
The American electorate has always had a painfully short memory. I'm afraid that's going to happen this time, too. The disease will be resolved and a few months later, we're going to forget who botched our response to it. I guess that's what happens to people who constantly have their ears plugged into right wing spin doctors.
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RE: So, what is it that Trump should have done differently?
April 18, 2020 at 8:34 am
(April 17, 2020 at 1:21 pm)CarveTheFive Wrote: ALMOST every American then.
Again, bullshit. 99% of the public has nothing to do with anything unless they're lead by the nose.
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RE: So, what is it that Trump should have done differently?
April 18, 2020 at 8:38 am
(This post was last modified: April 18, 2020 at 8:46 am by The Architect Of Fate.)
Quote:First Trump was a xenophobe for overreacting,
1. He didn't over react he didn't even really react .His "travel ban " was a half hearted joke and if you going to say "some people called him mean names " that just proves he cares more about his ego then his people .
2. He's a Xenophobe for using the crisis to push xenophobia like he's done in the past
Quote:Quote: now he didn't respond early enough...
He never responded early enough .Good god get a clue .He's been criticized for his since the beginning
Quote:Hehehe only in America
No anywhere a leader is his incompetent
(April 18, 2020 at 7:41 am)TaraJo Wrote: (April 18, 2020 at 7:27 am)Agnostico Wrote: First Trump was a xenophobe for overreacting, now he didn't respond early enough... Hehehe only in America
The only thing he did early is a travel ban. Yeah, he's been a racist nationalist all along so I can totally see him doing that. The fact that he only shut down travel to and from China was the problem.
But there was a LOT more he could have done to get us ready.
Remember how he's blaming Obama for not maintaining the emergency stock of medical supplies? What was he doing over the past 3 years? Why didn't he do that?
Remember the pandemic response team? Trump ditched them. They might have had a better idea on how to deal with this before it became a pandemic.
Remember how he told everyone to go to work, even if they're feeling sick? How many infections would have been prevented if he had not said that?
Remember how he said it would disappear with warm weather? When he said it was a hoax by the democrats/media? Remember when he said there were just 15 cases and soon there would be none?
Remember how he bitched and moaned about who was to blame for the virus instead of finding a solution to it?
Remember how he's not actually shut down very much, instead relying on the individual states to shut everything down? Having individual states write their own shut down rules is like having a peeing section for your pool.
Remember how he's been more worried about the stock market and the economy than people's lives?
Remember? REMEMBER! Remember! REMEMBER!
The American electorate has always had a painfully short memory. I'm afraid that's going to happen this time, too. The disease will be resolved and a few months later, we're going to forget who botched our response to it. I guess that's what happens to people who constantly have their ears plugged into right wing spin doctors. And it's not like people were pointing out he was reacting too slow from the beginning or anything.It's not like we have countless clips of him downplaying the whole thing (overreacting my ass )
Trumpard revisionist history is sad
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