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RE: Islam
July 16, 2020 at 9:23 pm
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(July 16, 2020 at 9:08 pm)masoni Wrote: Allah says, CUT OFF the heads of the DISbelievers
41:28 '… of Our verses, were rejecting.', e.g. 9:29
47:4 'smite necks', 'smite ye above their necks/strike off their heads' 8:12-4, 5:33 '… corruption … execution' [16:88 '… corruption', 7:103], 45 'wounds equal for equal'
8:17 'It is not ye who slew them; it was Allah … He might TEST the Believers', 9:14 'Fight them; Allah will punish them by y o u r hands …'
And yet, you will find lots of Muslims who do not interpret these verses the way you interpret them. For them, it's all about specific contexts (such as during wartimes) not absolute commands to slaughter people wherever you see them. I'll even bet there are some Muslims who will argue that these verses no longer apply (sort of like how many Christians deal with the slaughter verses in the Old Testament).
My point is, regardless of which interpretations are correct, it's more humane to make an effort to see Muslims as people just like any of us, and to not judge all Muslims as bad by what a relatively small portion of people who identify as Muslims do or even by what the book says. Do you best to minimize this tendency for tribalistic thinking, you'll be a better person for it.
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RE: Islam
July 16, 2020 at 9:29 pm
(This post was last modified: July 16, 2020 at 9:31 pm by The Grand Nudger.)
A good person can be convinced that vice is virtue when it's presented as the notion of their god.
All we're discussing now is how muslims can be better than their own religion. That's unsurprising.
I am the Infantry. I am my country’s strength in war, her deterrent in peace. I am the heart of the fight… wherever, whenever. I carry America’s faith and honor against her enemies. I am the Queen of Battle. I am what my country expects me to be, the best trained Soldier in the world. In the race for victory, I am swift, determined, and courageous, armed with a fierce will to win. Never will I fail my country’s trust. Always I fight on…through the foe, to the objective, to triumph overall. If necessary, I will fight to my death. By my steadfast courage, I have won more than 200 years of freedom. I yield not to weakness, to hunger, to cowardice, to fatigue, to superior odds, For I am mentally tough, physically strong, and morally straight. I forsake not, my country, my mission, my comrades, my sacred duty. I am relentless. I am always there, now and forever. I AM THE INFANTRY! FOLLOW ME!
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RE: Islam
July 16, 2020 at 9:34 pm
(July 16, 2020 at 9:23 pm)Grandizer Wrote: (July 16, 2020 at 9:08 pm)masoni Wrote: Allah says, CUT OFF the heads of the DISbelievers
41:28 '… of Our verses, were rejecting.', e.g. 9:29
47:4 'smite necks', 'smite ye above their necks/strike off their heads' 8:12-4, 5:33 '… corruption … execution' [16:88 '… corruption', 7:103], 45 'wounds equal for equal'
8:17 'It is not ye who slew them; it was Allah … He might TEST the Believers', 9:14 'Fight them; Allah will punish them by y o u r hands …'
And yet, you will find lots of Muslims who do not interpret these verses the way you interpret them. For them, it's all about specific contexts (such as during wartimes) not absolute commands to slaughter people wherever you see them. I'll even bet there are some Muslims who will argue that these verses no longer apply (sort of like how many Christians deal with the slaughter verses in the Old Testament).
My point is, regardless of which interpretations are correct, it's more humane to make an effort to see Muslims as people just like any of us, and to not judge all Muslims as bad by what a relatively small portion of people who identify as Muslims do or even by what the book says. Do you best to minimize this tendency for tribalistic thinking, you'll be a better person for it. again .. am an ex-muslim
sure am not judge all muslims as bad
am showing what's in their shariaa and their scriptures
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RE: Islam
July 16, 2020 at 11:06 pm
Islam like all other false religions must be seen for what it really is, evil. Its the very opposite of what God is. Its forceful and oppressive and gives no freedom to anyone who chooses to believe otherwise. Dare any Moslem to believe otherwise in his country and see exactly what befalls him or her, death.
Majority of the people in Islamic countries want freedom but are afraid to talk. Eventually they will be isolated by the rest of the world, and be forced to see the light. The Jihad war as they call it is being lost by them, and that is why they are so desperate. If their god Allah was really on their side then wouldn't they have the upper hand by now? Just take a look at their countries and see what their religion is doing for them. They see the degradation and misery, yet fail to see the light
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RE: Islam
July 16, 2020 at 11:24 pm
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Forceful, oppressive, and openly hostile to self determination. That doesn't sound like the opposite of the abrahamic god. They're doing it right, for whatever that's worth.
I am the Infantry. I am my country’s strength in war, her deterrent in peace. I am the heart of the fight… wherever, whenever. I carry America’s faith and honor against her enemies. I am the Queen of Battle. I am what my country expects me to be, the best trained Soldier in the world. In the race for victory, I am swift, determined, and courageous, armed with a fierce will to win. Never will I fail my country’s trust. Always I fight on…through the foe, to the objective, to triumph overall. If necessary, I will fight to my death. By my steadfast courage, I have won more than 200 years of freedom. I yield not to weakness, to hunger, to cowardice, to fatigue, to superior odds, For I am mentally tough, physically strong, and morally straight. I forsake not, my country, my mission, my comrades, my sacred duty. I am relentless. I am always there, now and forever. I AM THE INFANTRY! FOLLOW ME!
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RE: Islam
July 17, 2020 at 12:55 am
The problem with Islam is that it forbids Muslims to have any pleasures in life, and therefore it creates a familiar pattern of frustrated Muslim men who overreact about everything and invent problems where there are none.
It could all be solved if they got out, got some alcoholic drinks, watched some sports, masturbated, had sex with cute sluts...
teachings of the Bible are so muddled and self-contradictory that it was possible for Christians to happily burn heretics alive for five long centuries. It was even possible for the most venerated patriarchs of the Church, like St. Augustine and St. Thomas Aquinas, to conclude that heretics should be tortured (Augustine) or killed outright (Aquinas). Martin Luther and John Calvin advocated the wholesale murder of heretics, apostates, Jews, and witches. - Sam Harris, "Letter To A Christian Nation"
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RE: Islam
July 17, 2020 at 1:51 am
(July 16, 2020 at 7:41 pm)WinterHold Wrote: God taught in the Quran to apologize when one make mistakes. You need a god to tell you to apologize for mistakes? 
Cetero censeo religionem delendam esse
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RE: Islam
July 17, 2020 at 2:16 am
(July 17, 2020 at 12:55 am)Fake Messiah Wrote: The problem with Islam is that it forbids Muslims to have any pleasures in life, and therefore it creates a familiar pattern of frustrated Muslim men who overreact about everything and invent problems where there are none.
It could all be solved if they got out, got some alcoholic drinks, watched some sports, masturbated, had sex with cute sluts...
Heaps of Muslims do that no problem, and they'd still counted as religious. Come visit my homecountry if you don't believe me.
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RE: Islam
July 17, 2020 at 2:41 am
They're doing it wrong.
I am the Infantry. I am my country’s strength in war, her deterrent in peace. I am the heart of the fight… wherever, whenever. I carry America’s faith and honor against her enemies. I am the Queen of Battle. I am what my country expects me to be, the best trained Soldier in the world. In the race for victory, I am swift, determined, and courageous, armed with a fierce will to win. Never will I fail my country’s trust. Always I fight on…through the foe, to the objective, to triumph overall. If necessary, I will fight to my death. By my steadfast courage, I have won more than 200 years of freedom. I yield not to weakness, to hunger, to cowardice, to fatigue, to superior odds, For I am mentally tough, physically strong, and morally straight. I forsake not, my country, my mission, my comrades, my sacred duty. I am relentless. I am always there, now and forever. I AM THE INFANTRY! FOLLOW ME!
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RE: Islam
July 17, 2020 at 3:56 pm
(July 17, 2020 at 2:16 am)Grandizer Wrote: (July 17, 2020 at 12:55 am)Fake Messiah Wrote: The problem with Islam is that it forbids Muslims to have any pleasures in life, and therefore it creates a familiar pattern of frustrated Muslim men who overreact about everything and invent problems where there are none.
It could all be solved if they got out, got some alcoholic drinks, watched some sports, masturbated, had sex with cute sluts...
Heaps of Muslims do that no problem, and they'd still counted as religious. Come visit my homecountry if you don't believe me.
Absolutely. Even Saudi Arabia and Egypt and Turkey have nothing to do with what FM is repeating over and over.
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