is Seattle the new fort Sumter?

[Lek]

Okay. What do you think? Are violence and blockades alright or not?

[The Grand Nudger]

I've already told you that I'm all in with people using violence to effect political change, and blockades to keep the government out.

That's the bargain that government strikes in it's bid to rule. It governs at the behest and consent of it's citizens, and cannot do to them what they can do to it. We can forcibly remove our government. Our government is not empowered to forcibly remove us. The interests of our government are and must always be subjugated to the interests of we the people.

The difference between the protestors in seattle, and..say, the nutbars who stormed state houses...was that the one was demonstrably a shill for the interests of the ruling government party - in documented contradiction to the will of we the people. I know....I know, you're probably certain that any protestors you don;t like are funded by george soros and the democratic illuminati bent on taking over the globe in a new world order. Unfortunately for you, you are certainly wrong. That's the quiet part that your propaganda outlets managed to say out loud recently, complaining about a "demographic change" that none of you got to vote on, as though that were a thing you got to vote on.

If you want to know my opinion, candidly...the current round of protests will fail to enact meaningful change. They should have brought at4's, run a controlled demo on government offices, and set up firing positions. Obviously it would be great if they didn't have to - but I recall some very smart people once invoking their right to rebel. You probably think those dummies didn't know what they were talking about.

[Lek]

I've already told you that I'm all in with people using violence to effect political change, and blockades to keep the government out.

That's the bargain that government strikes in it's bid to rule. It governs at the behest and consent of it's citizens, and cannot do to them what they can do to it.

Ok. I'll actually agree with you that in some cases it is required, but not against innocent people.

[The Architect Of Fate]

Ok. I'll actually agree with you that in some cases it is required, but not against innocent people.

Accept when the police mafia do it

[The Grand Nudger]

What innocent people, Lek? You act as if the protestors in seattle were booting out the residents.

They attempted to boot out agents of the government. To be innocent in this, those agents of the government could do what any moral citizen of these united states must be compelled to do. Refuse to hold down their fellow citizens for the benefit of their alleged superiors. We train our combatants to refuse unlawful orders, and they always have the right to fail, and to miss, and to be looking in the wrong direction. They will be guilty until proven innocent in any charges brought about by following such an order.

If cops want to walk around cosplaying soldiers in a force of occupation...maybe they should start acting like one.

Here again... you are not being honest, but you're not lying to me. You're lying to yourself. Lean into that. Do a little introspective digging into why you need to convince yourself of these narratives in order to maintain your stated positions. What's the issue? Would it be a problem, to you, if cops were doing...what cops are doing? Would it be a problem, to you, if our government were doing...what our government is doing?