Blue Lives Don't Exist

[onlinebiker]

I use sarcasm because it shows the flip side -

You say I assume the best of the cops - but that is the same thinking that got us "Not voting for Hillary is a vote for Trump".

I do NOT assume the best of cops. Cops are just as capable of fuckery as any other group of people.

I simply state that we do not have enough information in this case to make an informed judgement -as is usually the case for this sort of thing.

Oh, horseshit. Every single time this sort of thing comes up on the forum, you presumptively assume the cops are in the right, while excoriating people who assume the cops are in the wrong. It’s like everyone’s crystal ball is cracked but yours.

Boru

You been doing the "you're either with us or you're against us" thing for too long.

My position on these things is always the same.

We don't know.
We weren't there.
We have not seen the evidence.
We HAVE seen (usually) one carefully selected video - that is sure to incite a crowd 

If that sounds like siding with the cops - then I guess that's just what you want to think.

[Duty]

I use sarcasm because it shows the flip side -

You say I assume the best of the cops - but that is the same thinking that got us "Not voting for Hillary is a vote for Trump".

I do NOT assume the best of cops. Cops are just as capable of fuckery as any other group of people.

I simply state that we do not have enough information in this case to make an informed judgement -as is usually the case for this sort of thing.

Oh, horseshit. Every single time this sort of thing comes up on the forum, you presumptively assume the cops are in the right, while excoriating people who assume the cops are in the wrong. It’s like everyone’s crystal ball is cracked but yours.

Boru

I think that the US police do a bloody difficult job for not much money, not to mention being on the receiving end of bare hatred from BLM et al in this age. All three of the high profile police shootings on which BLM is primarily built resisted arrest in the extreme or flat out ignored officers' instructions at gunpoint (this latest incident). 

Again I will also post the UBER pertinent stat that: abt 40% of police killings are of black people and abt 40% of the prison population are black people. THEREFORE it is both fair, logical and civil to give our angelic protectors and guardians of the rule of law the benefit of any remaining doubt which might exist and judge that, overwhelmingly, when it comes to police shootings, the US police are functionally colour-blind and NOT monstrous pathologically homicidal racists.

Fuck BLM back to the divisive shithole of ignorance where it came from.

[BrianSoddingBoru4]

What does Min’s behaviour have to do with OLB’s?

Boru

You accused OLB of things Min does. I've never seen you get down on Min.

Min hasn’t been here for more than a year and a half.

Boru

[Gawdzilla Sama]

You accused OLB of things Min does. I've never seen you get down on Min.

Min hasn’t been here for more than a year and a half.

Boru

And?

[Anomalocaris]

Oh, please, angels?

Like a color blind  police will correlate the percentage of people in prison with the color of the skin of the person upon whom they would draw their gun?

And police may not make Too much money on the basis of yearly salary, but they Typically make that salary for Perhaps 60+ years for but at most 20 years of work.  In total lifetime income they make a quite good money for their typical level of education, and even risk.

[BrianSoddingBoru4]

Min hasn’t been here for more than a year and a half.

Boru

And?

And how exactly am I supposed to get down on someone who doesn’t post?

If it’s worth anything, I reported him, voted against him, and issued the temp ban that caused him to leave in a snit. As far as I can recall, I’ve never reported OLB for anything.

Boru

[The Grand Nudger]

That's a misapprehension. Patrol officers in the us do a relatively easy job for generous compensation.

That is an uber pertinent stat. 40%..I won't check it, but I will point out that this 40% is coming from something like 12% of the population.

You misunderstand the issue, which is not an issue of personal racism with an individual officer. Systemic racism does not require a racist cop to effect these outcomes. It would be more the case that officers are trained and empowered to be pathologically homicidal by a systemically racist institution.

Much the same way that it's done to intentionally produce combatants. Between gear and warrior ethos and legal protection - the arc of the police training universe bends towards shooting a guy. Never has to happen. They could have beaten this guy mercilessly just as easily as they shot him, or not done either thing. These are not chance outcomes, and cops..ultimately, work for Bad People... drug addicts, people who resist, super strong minorities completely immune to electricity - too. I really wish that we could dispense with the entire "may as well have shot himself" line of inanity, as a society.

We either accept summary execution as a penalty for resisting, or looking funny, or doing drugs, or scaring a cop... or we don't.

[Gawdzilla Sama]

Oh, please, angels?

Like a color blind  police will correlate the percentage of people in prison with the color of the skin of the person upon whom they would draw their gun?

And police may not make Too much money on the basis of yearly salary, but they Typically make that salary for Perhaps 60+ years for but at most 20 years of work.  In total lifetime income they make a quite good money for their typical level of education, and even risk.

Cops live to be 80+ years old?

[BrianSoddingBoru4]

Oh, please, angels?

Like a color blind  police will correlate the percentage of people in prison with the color of the skin of the person upon whom they would draw their gun?

And police may not make Too much money on the basis of yearly salary, but they Typically make that salary for Perhaps 60+ years for but at most 20 years of work.  In total lifetime income they make a quite good money for their typical level of education, and even risk.

Cops live to be 80+ years old?

I think he’s saying (and I could be mistaken) that cops make the equivalent of 60 years’ pay for 20 years’ work.

I doubt very much that’s the case.

Boru

[The Grand Nudger]

Their unions are great, as people learned in the last bit of outrage. Double OT, hell.. claim a vacation day while you're at it, and you know it's your off-shift hour so that's worth something extra - then there are the benefits. Meanwhile, the guy who mows lawns for a living gets less than minimum wage for greater risk.

Insult to injury, this is the level of service we get for our cash.