Christchurch mosque shootings: the heartbreaking hearing

[Gawdzilla Sama]

"What is it we don't feed?"

[Peebothuhlu]

..... Many will follow the footsteps of New Zealand in combating this cancer.

Please enlighten us as to the Kiwi's proceding footsteps...

 

Not at work.

[brewer]

Winterhold, your same arguments could be made for your religion and culture, multiplied many many times over.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Is...st_attacks

Ever hear the proverb "Those who live in glass houses should not throw stones"? I'm not sure why you think you're entitled to a "special" kind of indignation to justify preaching.

[Mister Agenda]

I presume you mean the culture of democracy, freedom and capitalism.
I just remembered, you don't have that over there How's that working out for you: dunno:

Not the topic.
Our topic is about this terrorist maniac who was motivated -explicitly- by the extreme branch of non-Muslim ideology.

Anything to say about him ? his motives? his extreme views?

He should be sentenced appropriately for what he DID, not what he THOUGHT; which is what happened. The place to combat his thoughts is in the marketplace of ideas.

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Wait, you think I'm excusing him for what he did on the basis of mental illness?  Nothing could be further from the truth. Sorry, mate, but shooting 91 innocent people who had never harmed him in any way is manifestly NOT the act of a sane person. Being sane, stable and rational would cause you to reject the ideology that tells you to shoot people in a mosque.  Or to cut the heads off of murderers.

And a court appearance for sentencing is not a trial. Tennent pleaded guilty, no trial took place. His court appearances were 'hearings', not 'trials'.

Boru

So as the ISIS militants and Osama bin Laden, but you never call them insane. You call them "terrorists" and never use the mental illness card to justify their acts, like you did to justify the act of this white "totally sane" terrorist.

The last I heard; the name of the formal "anti-terrorism campaign" was not the "anti-insanity campaign".
You can't mask the truth. And just like anti-Islam showed its ugly face, it will keep showing it again and again and soon you will run out of mirages.

Soon enough many will follow the footsteps of New Zealand in combating this cancer.

It's a truism that a lone actor who radicalized himself is not the same thing as a large group recruited and indoctrinated. As I've pointed out in the context of religion, it's not a delusion to believe what every one important to you believes and taught you from childhood. Dylan Roof is a different matter from, say, the Lord's Resistance Army. And mental illness is not an excuse for mass murder, you still wind up locked up.

[GrandizerII]

It was horrifying what happened in New Zealand that time.

I don't completely agree with you, but you're not completely wrong either, WinterHold. As far as the Western cultures are concerned, it seems we have as much (if not more) to fear from white supremacists than from outsider terrorists.

[WinterHold]

Winterhold, your same arguments could be made for your religion and culture, multiplied many many times over.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Is...st_attacks

Ever hear the proverb "Those who live in glass houses should not throw stones"? I'm not sure why you think you're entitled to a "special" kind of indignation to justify preaching.

I wish if there was a list for the non-Islamic terrorist attacks since WW1.
There is always another name for the terrorist attacks by non-Muslims; sometimes it's called "tactical bombing", sometimes it's called "collateral damage", but never called "terrorism".

It would be interesting, but non-Muslims rarely assign terrorism to crimes commit by their own.

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So as the ISIS militants and Osama bin Laden, but you never call them insane. You call them "terrorists" and never use the mental illness card to justify their acts, like you did to justify the act of this white "totally sane" terrorist.

The last I heard; the name of the formal "anti-terrorism campaign" was not the "anti-insanity campaign".
You can't mask the truth. And just like anti-Islam showed its ugly face, it will keep showing it again and again and soon you will run out of mirages.

Soon enough many will follow the footsteps of New Zealand in combating this cancer.

It's a truism that a lone actor who radicalized himself is not the same thing as a large group recruited and indoctrinated. As I've pointed out in the context of religion, it's not a delusion to believe what every one important to you believes and taught you from childhood. Dylan Roof is a different matter from, say, the Lord's Resistance Army. And mental illness is not an excuse for mass murder, you still wind up locked up.

Since when the rightist white-supremacist movement is not considered a large group ?
Also, ISIS enthusiasts practiced solo crimes, yet it was immediately counted as "terrorism" without question, even though they weren't really with ISIS; just enthusiasts.

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It was horrifying what happened in New Zealand that time.

I don't completely agree with you, but you're not completely wrong either, WinterHold. As far as the Western cultures are concerned, it seems we have as much (if not more) to fear from white supremacists than from outsider terrorists.

The extreme right is very dangerous on the west because its members already know their ways in and out, they know how to demolish the culture around them and also use the devastating weapons the west has.

For example, see Trump, Such a man is very dangerous with all of the U.S arsenal under his racist bigotry.
While Muslims see that in the afterlife God will judge the non-believers and them; white supremacists do not even believe in such idea: they seek to create hell right here right now to burn their enemies in.

[BrianSoddingBoru4]

Wait, you think I'm excusing him for what he did on the basis of mental illness?  Nothing could be further from the truth. Sorry, mate, but shooting 91 innocent people who had never harmed him in any way is manifestly NOT the act of a sane person. Being sane, stable and rational would cause you to reject the ideology that tells you to shoot people in a mosque.  Or to cut the heads off of murderers.

And a court appearance for sentencing is not a trial. Tennent pleaded guilty, no trial took place. His court appearances were 'hearings', not 'trials'.

Boru

So as the ISIS militants and Osama bin Laden, but you never call them insane. You call them "terrorists" and never use the mental illness card to justify their acts, like you did to justify the act of this white "totally sane" terrorist.

The last I heard; the name of the formal "anti-terrorism campaign" was not the "anti-insanity campaign".
You can't mask the truth. And just like anti-Islam showed its ugly face, it will keep showing it again and again and soon you will run out of mirages.

Soon enough many will follow the footsteps of New Zealand in combating this cancer.

Actually, I DO refer to Islamic terrorists as ‘insane’ - I think all terrorists are off their trolley. And I don’t use mental illness to ‘justify’ anyone’s terrorist acts.

I’m hardly to be held responsible for what labels governments stick on their fights against terrorists.

I would like nothing more than for Muslim majority countries to follow in our footsteps lock up terrorists for life, with no possibility of parole. I’d like it because that’s what civilized countries do.

I’ll add this new apology you owe me to the list.

Boru

[The Grand Nudger]

So as the ISIS militants and Osama bin Laden, but you never call them insane. You call them "terrorists" and never use the mental illness card to justify their acts, like you did to justify the act of this white "totally sane" terrorist.

I suppose that we could compare apples to apples and see which is the bigger nut?

For OBL, the stated grievances were.....

-support of israel
-american immorality
-sanctions against iraq
-military presence in suadi arabia

this guy........?

-great replacement.

Their respective aims, OBL

-to commit the united states to a war of financial attrition.
-to prevent the united states from achieving global domination.

This guy

-rahowa.

Both sought to employ terror in order to enact social or political change, and in that respect both are terrorists.  OBL cited grievances in reality and engaged in a plan that had some credible means of achieving his desired end - and it worked.  This guy cited a grievance with reality and engaged in a plan with no credible means of achieving his desired end, which..ofc...it didn't.

We could lean in on stupid or insane, but there's no reason to choose, and it's probably a combo of both.  OBL and his merry men, on the other hand, are rational and competent actors.

Ultimately, though, terrorism takes all kinds - and there are a fair few dumb and insane people that keep it chugging along.  

I wish if there was a list for the non-Islamic terrorist attacks since WW1.

There are, but why stop there?  

There is always another name for the terrorist attacks by non-Muslims; sometimes it's called "tactical bombing", sometimes it's called "collateral damage", but never called "terrorism".

tactical bombing - bombing at targets of immediate military value.
collateral damage - the unintended result of a military operation.
terrorism - the intentional use of terror by non-state actors.

It would be interesting, but non-Muslims rarely assign terrorism to crimes commit by their own.

This is absurdly false.  The great american satan, for example, insists that domestic terrorism is a greater threat than any fto - and will actively track down american terrorists...and their families...here and abroad.  

Since when the rightist white-supremacist movement is not considered a large group ?
Also, ISIS enthusiasts practiced solo crimes, yet it was immediately counted as "terrorism" without question, even though they weren't really with ISIS; just enthusiasts.

This guy plead guilty to terrorism charges.  There was never any question as to whether or not he was a domestic terrorist. Whether someone is a terrorist, or has engaged in an act of terrorism, isn't determined by whether they're an official member of any club. We have guys like that here in the us, yall qaeda. FBI is concerned. Isn't it interesting how the ummah and the wests terrorists tend to come from qualitatively equivalent demographics? Wonder what could be going on there.

[Deesse23]

There is always another name for the terrorist attacks by non-Muslims; sometimes it's called "tactical bombing", sometimes it's called "collateral damage", but never called "terrorism".

Wrong again, like in 99% of all cases. Try to get a basic education, and take off your muslim/non-muslim glasses before you are talking to adults. Your are only embarassing yourself (as if that had ever bothered you).
Oh, and drop your victm complex. Its embarassing as well, as hell.

Allied bombing raids on german cities in WWII were (from the start) called "terrorbombing". Of course this was part of nazi propaganda, but nevertheless: You were wrong.

[polymath257]

I presume you mean the culture of democracy, freedom and capitalism.
I just remembered, you don't have that over there How's that working out for you: dunno:

Not the topic.
Our topic is about this terrorist maniac who was motivated -explicitly- by the extreme branch of non-Muslim ideology.

Anything to say about him ? his motives? his extreme views?

I guess there are religious nutjobs on all sides.

This massacre should be condemned. The killing of innocent people should be condemned. The lack of tolerance for other views should be condemned.

Of course that is true for this case, as it is for ALL cases where religious nutjobs have killed people because of their ideologies.