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[Quranic Reflection]: What should Muslims do when the verses of God are made fun of?
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RE: [Quranic Reflection]: What should Muslims do when the verses of God are made fun of?
(September 9, 2020 at 5:16 am)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote:
(September 9, 2020 at 2:47 am)WinterHold Wrote: If the goal of Islam is the submission to God, not the submission to the religious institution; thus following the Quran is at the top of the pyramid for a Muslim.

A Muslim who replaces the top of the pyramid with anything else is not following Islam's message; but rather following the mutations represented in the Sunni/Shiite schools.

As for contradictions in the Quran, that is a blocked path because me -and billions across 1400 years- read the book and concluded that it has no contradiction.

If there are no contradictions, can you explain why one passage clearly states that Mohammed liked to walk around with live ferrets in his drawers, while another verse - just as clearly - has Mohammed saying this is a sin?

Boru

No such thing was ever mentioned in the Quran.
You can bring the verse and the Sura to prove your claim.
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#32
RE: [Quranic Reflection]: What should Muslims do when the verses of God are made fun of?
Quote:No such thing was ever mentioned in the Quran.

You can bring the verse and the Sura to prove your claim.
So you can weave excuses?
“The sun from far gives life. But get close to it and it burns anything down to ashes”
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#33
RE: [Quranic Reflection]: What should Muslims do when the verses of God are made fun of?
The most spectacular magics of the all the huly buuks is, the broad strokes of interpretation.

When one substitutes logic, with dishonest and erroneous evidence, you get magic sky pixies. One is also alleviated from suffering the burden, and the torment of using one's own mind.
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#34
RE: [Quranic Reflection]: What should Muslims do when the verses of God are made fun of?
(September 9, 2020 at 7:10 am)WinterHold Wrote:
(September 9, 2020 at 5:16 am)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: If there are no contradictions, can you explain why one passage clearly states that Mohammed liked to walk around with live ferrets in his drawers, while another verse - just as clearly - has Mohammed saying this is a sin?

Boru

No such thing was ever mentioned in the Quran.
You can bring the verse and the Sura to prove your claim.

I can't be bothered to look it up, but I'm fairly sure it's the same chapter where the Prophet instructs us to not eat poached penguin eggs, unless we're wearing an official 'I Shaved My Balls For This' t-shirt.

Boru
Ignorance is never valid grounds for the rejection of established facts.
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RE: [Quranic Reflection]: What should Muslims do when the verses of God are made fun of?
(September 4, 2020 at 4:52 am)WinterHold Wrote: One of the cases repeated by many non-Muslims and some Muslims who were brainwashed by the ISIS and Islamic extremists' speech is this simple case: "shouldn't Muslims just slaughter any person making fun of Islam and its Prophet peace be upon him" ?

The idea was propagated and spread with the rise of "extreme Islamic Jihad", but a direct and explicit verse from the Quran says exactly what should be done by Muslims who hear their religion being mocked and made fun of:


Quote:Sura 4, The Quran:
https://quran.ksu.edu.sa/index.php?l=en#...rans=en_sh

( 140 )   And it has already come down to you in the Book that when you hear the verses of Allah [recited], they are denied [by them] and ridiculed; so do not sit with them until they enter into another conversation. Indeed, you would then be like them. Indeed Allah will gather the hypocrites and disbelievers in Hell all together -

The Quran never said to kill people who ridicule Islam. It simply said to the believers to walk away and don't sit with those who ridicule "until they change the subject".

Please explain to me why I have a client who is a transgender muslim in a refugee camp who fears for his life. Please explain to me why we had to have an intervention to stop the bloke being butchered. Please explain why we had to put boots on the ground to protect a muslim from muslims. Please explain why you support that BS.
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RE: [Quranic Reflection]: What should Muslims do when the verses of God are made fun of?
(September 9, 2020 at 1:57 pm)Abaddon_ire Wrote:
(September 4, 2020 at 4:52 am)WinterHold Wrote: One of the cases repeated by many non-Muslims and some Muslims who were brainwashed by the ISIS and Islamic extremists' speech is this simple case: "shouldn't Muslims just slaughter any person making fun of Islam and its Prophet peace be upon him" ?

The idea was propagated and spread with the rise of "extreme Islamic Jihad", but a direct and explicit verse from the Quran says exactly what should be done by Muslims who hear their religion being mocked and made fun of:



The Quran never said to kill people who ridicule Islam. It simply said to the believers to walk away and don't sit with those who ridicule "until they change the subject".

Please explain to me why I have a client who is a transgender muslim in a refugee camp who fears for his life. Please explain to me why we had to have an intervention to stop the bloke being butchered. Please explain why we had to put boots on the ground to protect a muslim from muslims. Please explain why you support that BS.

Don't you ever put words in my mouth, liar.
I filled this forum for 7 years with severe criticism to Arab dictatorship and the tyranny practiced by Muslim governments -except for a 1 or 2-.

Go read my history before you lie, but maybe you lie anyways.
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RE: [Quranic Reflection]: What should Muslims do when the verses of God are made fun of?
(September 9, 2020 at 2:49 pm)WinterHold Wrote:
(September 9, 2020 at 1:57 pm)Abaddon_ire Wrote: Please explain to me why I have a client who is a transgender muslim in a refugee camp who fears for his life. Please explain to me why we had to have an intervention to stop the bloke being butchered. Please explain why we had to put boots on the ground to protect a muslim from muslims. Please explain why you support that BS.

Don't you ever put words in my mouth, liar.
I filled this forum for 7 years with severe criticism to Arab dictatorship and the tyranny practiced by Muslim governments -except for a 1 or 2-.

Go read my history before you lie, but maybe you lie anyways.

You need to stop calling other people liars while you continue to tell lies yourself. As the Prophet (peace be upon him!) warns us in the holy Quran:

‘He that falsely accuses his fellows of his own sin sows not dates and barley, but crabgrass and fungus, and his member shall shrivel until it is like unto a poppy seed. You know, the ones that get stuck in your teeth while you’re having a bagel and coffee. Which reminds me, where the hell is that coffee I ordered? Oi, Mustafa - What are you doing, growing the beans yourself?’

Allah be praised. 

Boru
Ignorance is never valid grounds for the rejection of established facts.
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#38
RE: [Quranic Reflection]: What should Muslims do when the verses of God are made fun of?
(September 9, 2020 at 2:49 pm)WinterHold Wrote:
(September 9, 2020 at 1:57 pm)Abaddon_ire Wrote: Please explain to me why I have a client who is a transgender muslim in a refugee camp who fears for his life. Please explain to me why we had to have an intervention to stop the bloke being butchered. Please explain why we had to put boots on the ground to protect a muslim from muslims. Please explain why you support that BS.

Don't you ever put words in my mouth, liar.
I filled this forum for 7 years with severe criticism to Arab dictatorship and the tyranny practiced by Muslim governments -except for a 1 or 2-.

Go read my history before you lie, but maybe you lie anyways.
Interesting, given that this occurred in a western democracy and was instigated by YOUR co-religionists based on the teachings of islam.

How do you explain that?

Are your fellows all wrong and only YOU are right?

Just to flesh out the question, I m so straight, one could use me as a ruler.

My eldest was born female and is now my son (and now an adult)

I will never forget the day he came out to me. He was terrified as to the reaction my uber-straightness might provoke. Eventually, he worked up the bottle to do it. He flat out declared his trans nature and cowered in expectation of some sort of explosion.

I just said "OK". He was oddly deflated, expecting ...I dunno, fire and brimstone mebbe?

All sort of religious wonkery happened and best I could advise was "you are you, end of story" but I could not compete with abaddonette the younger.

In the midst of all of it she uttered the most on point comment "What the fuck? It's the same fucking person"

Out of the mouth of babes.

So here is the problem AtlaSS. Your crankery would have me kill him.

Explain why.

(September 9, 2020 at 2:49 pm)WinterHold Wrote:
(September 9, 2020 at 1:57 pm)Abaddon_ire Wrote: Please explain to me why I have a client who is a transgender muslim in a refugee camp who fears for his life. Please explain to me why we had to have an intervention to stop the bloke being butchered. Please explain why we had to put boots on the ground to protect a muslim from muslims. Please explain why you support that BS.

Don't you ever put words in my mouth, liar.
I filled this forum for 7 years with severe criticism to Arab dictatorship and the tyranny practiced by Muslim governments -except for a 1 or 2-.

Go read my history before you lie, but maybe you lie anyways.

I have read your history.

I know full well what you are. You posted it.
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