The catholic church thought police

[Edwardo Piet]

3. Satan represents undefiled wisdom instead of hypocritical self-deceit!

If only there were less hypocritical sanctimoniousness in people overall.

[corndog36]

Not even the pope can be cited as the whole church's beliefs.

I am aware that there are people who consider themselves Catholics who do not agree with everything the Pope says, but Catholic doctrine says that the Pope is infallible, and anyone who doesn't agree with that, or him, is anathema. I would enjoy hearing a Catholic's view on that contradiction.

[Dotard]

So manual, oral, and anal foreplay is 'unnatural,...'

What the hell is "anal foreplay"?!? Sounds freaky.

[Edwardo Piet]

Nothing is unnatural because everything is part of the natural world. So-called 'artificial' things are made from natural materials.

[Thor]

I thought there would be more theists on here, to be honest. Why bother have a forum with a whole bunch of atheists agreeing on everything?

Why bother having religious forums (like Christianforums.com) with a whole bunch of believers agreeing on everything?

Everyone thinks every catholic priest is a pedophile, homosexual rapist that preys on little children... It's pathetic, to be honest.

No, we don't think EVERY Catholoic priest is a pedophile, homosexual rapist that preys on little children. Just a disturbing number of them. And what you fail to realize is that our problem with the Catholic church is the fact that they KNEW about the child molesters and DID NOTHING to stop it! That is corruption from the top down. And if I was in charge of an organization, and I knew about people in my organization molesting children, and I did nothing about it, I would almost certainly be in jail. So why do Catholic bishops get a pass?

[Emporion]

Not even the pope can be cited as the whole church's beliefs.

I am aware that there are people who consider themselves Catholics who do not agree with everything the Pope says, but Catholic doctrine says that the Pope is infallible, and anyone who doesn't agree with that, or him, is anathema. I would enjoy hearing a Catholic's view on that contradiction.

I wish you luck.

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if I was in charge of an organization, and I knew about people in my organization molesting children, and I did nothing about it, I would almost certainly be in jail. So why do Catholic bishops get a pass?

Oh, I'm sure that SkyDaddy punished them and then told the Pope that the pedophile could be forgiven.

They get a pass because the Pop doesn't care about the victims. Nobody can arrest the Pope.

[Minimalist]

Quote:Everyone thinks every catholic priest is a pedophile, homosexual rapist that preys on little children... It's pathetic, to be honest.

A classic strawman argument.

Not every one is a pedophile...although far too many of them are. However, if you think that the rest did not know what was going on you are deluding yourself. In a tightly knit organization there are no secrets. The ones who stood by silently are JUST AS FUCKING GUILTY as the ones with their dicks up the altar boy's asses.

The bishops who transferred them around bear even more responsibility than the ones who stood by silently and Herr Von Popenfuhrer ( and his predeccessor, Pope Pollack ) are guiltiest of all because they knew and all they cared about was protecting their fucking money.

If you still consider yourself a member of that vile establishment, Diplomat, you should be ashamed of yourself.

[Rwandrall]

I thought there would be more theists on here, to be honest. Why bother have a forum with a whole bunch of atheists agreeing on everything? Anyway, I'm Catholic, which seems to be controversial in itself.

Let me say, nobody believes this crap in the Catholic church. If there's one thing that's true about Catholicism, its that it is am enormous organization; protestant religions individually are not nearly as large as Catholicism. That's not bragging, it's factual, and I don't even consider it to be a good thing; there are so many oddballs giving the whole church a bad rep. While you're at it, look up "catholic" in a dictionary.

This is relevant to the article, however. Everyone thinks every catholic priest is a pedophile, homosexual rapist that preys on little children... It's pathetic, to be honest. So many people are determined to hate catholicism. The truth is that a percent of a population represents a larger portion when the population is larger; the bigger the church, the more corrupt people you will get. It's math (like I say, I think logically). The ratio is almost no different than other churches, or populations in general, actually. And yet we get people claiming that THIS article, THIS particular one is a manifestation of the whole church's beliefs. Not even the pope can be cited as the whole church's beliefs.

The problem is not, at all, about the number of pedophile priests. It's because of the continuous, conscious cover-ups made by the Catholic Church of these actions. Proof of involvement from pretty damn high up were uncovered. If the organization, at its top and at its core, protects child molesters, this organization is not worthy of respect.

[Oldandeasilyconfused]

@The Diplomat

I urge you to read "The Case Of The Pope" by Geoffery Roberson QC,a renowned international jurist.


He examines the child abuse scandal from two broad perspectives:

(1) The official church position that canon law trumps any civil law

(2)The Vatican's claim to be a state.Although the claim is accepted by many countries,the Vatican meets NONE of the criteria for statehood.

I don't ask you to simply accept these claims, but I do ask you to consider them..

A recovering Catholic of over 40 years,I was appalled. I'd like to think any practising Catholic would be deeply ashamed for supporting such an arrogant and corrupt institution.Sadly, I'm aware nothing as prosaic as evidence is likely to change the mind of the faithful.


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Below is a chunk of a one review. There are many on line.

The Case of the Pope: Vatican Accountability for Human Rights Abuses by Geoffrey Robertson

Terry Eagleton welcomes a coolly devastating inquiry into the Vatican's handling of child abuse

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* The Guardian, Saturday 11 September 2010
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Pope Benedict XVI Looking the other way . . . Pope Benedict XVI. Photograph: Tony Gentile/Reuters

The first child sex scandal in the Catholic church took place in AD153, long before there was a "gay culture" or Jewish journalists for bishops to blame it on. By the 1960s, the problem had become so dire that a cleric responsible for the care of "erring" priests wrote to the Vatican suggesting that it acquire a Caribbean island to put them on.


What has made a bad situation worse, as the eminent QC Geoffrey Robertson argues in this coolly devastating inquiry, is canon law – the church's own arcane, highly secretive legal system, which deals with alleged child abusers in a dismayingly mild manner rather than handing them over to the police. Its "penalties" for raping children include such draconian measures as warnings, rebukes, extra prayers, counselling and a few months on retreat. It is even possible to interpret canon law as claiming that a valid defence for paedophile offences is paedophilia. Since child abusers are supposedly incapable of controlling their sexual urges, this can be used in their defence. It is rather like pleading not guilty to stealing from Tesco's on the grounds that one is a shoplifter. One blindingly simple reason for the huge amount of child abuse in the Catholic church (on one estimate, up to 9% of clerics are implicated) is that the perpetrators know they will almost certainly get away with it.


For almost a quarter of a century, Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger, the man who is now Pope, was in supreme command of this parallel system of justice – a system deliberately hidden from the public, police and parliaments and run, so Robertson maintains, in defiance of international law. Those who imagine that the Vatican has recently agreed to cooperate with the police, he points out, have simply fallen for one of its cynical public relations exercises. In the so-called "New Norms" published by Pope Benedict this year, there is still no instruction to report suspected offenders to the civil authorities, and attempting to ordain a woman is deemed to be as serious an offence as sodomising a child. There have, however, been some changes: victims of child abuse are now allowed to report the matter up to the age of 38 rather than 28. If you happen to be 39, that's just tough luck. As Robertson wryly comments, Jesus declares that child molesters deserve to be drowned in the depths of the sea, not hidden in the depths of the Holy See.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/books/2010/sep...-robertson

[Emporion]

Just wondering, does anybody here care about my last post in this thread? Am I just infallibly right, and as a result no one can question me? Am I missing something from my last post?