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Church of England 'failed to protect children from sexual abusers'
#11
RE: Church of England 'failed to protect children from sexual abusers'
(October 7, 2020 at 7:23 am)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote:
(October 7, 2020 at 7:09 am)The Grand Nudger Wrote: Bit like the pope.

Not at all like the pope. 

Boru

A figurehead with no active role in governance.
I am the Infantry. I am my country’s strength in war, her deterrent in peace. I am the heart of the fight… wherever, whenever. I carry America’s faith and honor against her enemies. I am the Queen of Battle. I am what my country expects me to be, the best trained Soldier in the world. In the race for victory, I am swift, determined, and courageous, armed with a fierce will to win. Never will I fail my country’s trust. Always I fight on…through the foe, to the objective, to triumph overall. If necessary, I will fight to my death. By my steadfast courage, I have won more than 200 years of freedom. I yield not to weakness, to hunger, to cowardice, to fatigue, to superior odds, For I am mentally tough, physically strong, and morally straight. I forsake not, my country, my mission, my comrades, my sacred duty. I am relentless. I am always there, now and forever. I AM THE INFANTRY! FOLLOW ME!
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#12
RE: Church of England 'failed to protect children from sexual abusers'
(October 7, 2020 at 8:20 am)The Grand Nudger Wrote:
(October 7, 2020 at 7:23 am)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: Not at all like the pope. 

Boru

A figurehead with no active role in governance.

The pope has a tremendous role in governing the Church and the Holy See. The Curia and the Secretariat are both answerable to the pontiff, but he is not answerable to them. He can unilaterally make changes to Church administration, alter the budget to suit himself...he can even raise an army if it suits him to do so. He can ordain/elevate anyone he wants to, and defrock any member of the clergy on a whim.

The pope has extremely wide (though not unlimited) powers of governance within the Church. It’s not a stretch to think of him as a prime minister with a rubber stamp parliament.

Boru
‘Let me never fall into the vulgar mistake of dreaming that I am persecuted whenever I am contradicted.’ Ralph Waldo Emerson
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#13
RE: Church of England 'failed to protect children from sexual abusers'
You could think of it that way, but you could think of the head of the coe that way as well. In reality, the queen and the pope are the rubber stamps - though I doubt that either of them spends much (if any) of their time fulfilling that role. The job, in both cases, has been transformed into a pr gig.
I am the Infantry. I am my country’s strength in war, her deterrent in peace. I am the heart of the fight… wherever, whenever. I carry America’s faith and honor against her enemies. I am the Queen of Battle. I am what my country expects me to be, the best trained Soldier in the world. In the race for victory, I am swift, determined, and courageous, armed with a fierce will to win. Never will I fail my country’s trust. Always I fight on…through the foe, to the objective, to triumph overall. If necessary, I will fight to my death. By my steadfast courage, I have won more than 200 years of freedom. I yield not to weakness, to hunger, to cowardice, to fatigue, to superior odds, For I am mentally tough, physically strong, and morally straight. I forsake not, my country, my mission, my comrades, my sacred duty. I am relentless. I am always there, now and forever. I AM THE INFANTRY! FOLLOW ME!
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#14
RE: Church of England 'failed to protect children from sexual abusers'
(October 6, 2020 at 7:18 am)zebo-the-fat Wrote: Church of England 'failed to protect children from sexual abusers'

The Church of England failed to protect children from sexual abuse, and created a culture where abusers "could hide", a report has concluded.
The Independent Inquiry into Child Sex Abuse (IICSA)'s report says the Church's failure to respond consistently to victims and survivors of abuse often added to their trauma.
It added that alleged perpetrators were often given more support than victims.
The Church of England is expected to publish a response later.

The report, which is the latest in a series of publications from the IICSA, says 390 clergy members and other church leaders were convicted of abuse between the 1940s and 2018.

In 2018 there were 2,504 safeguarding concerns reported to dioceses about either children or vulnerable adults, and 449 allegations of recent child sexual abuse.
The inquiry said the Church of England was "in direct conflict with its own underlying moral purpose to provide care and love for the innocent and the vulnerable".
Its chair, Prof Alexis Jay, said: "Over many decades, the Church of England failed to protect children and young people from sexual abusers, instead facilitating a culture where perpetrators could hide and victims faced barriers to disclosure that many could not overcome.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-54433295



Is anyone surprised by this??

i hate stupid crap like this... where is the expectation that God protects all come from? certainly not the bible. we are told God did not spare his son from the evils of this world and as followers we should not expect to be treated any differently. retards... this world belongs to satan. if you oppose him like by going to church, he is at war with you. he will use everything in his power to get you to turn on the church and what little protection there is from the onslaught satan can levie. Not only that what moron in this day and age does not understand Christian make up the worst of the worst of soceity.. it is the weak and week willed that admit they are devastated sinners!!! None of this changes when you follow Christ we are still slaves to sin. we are simply forgiven. it is that honest way we look at ourselves with the humility to say i can not do better that forces people to the church. why is it even a thing when one or many of us fail? it is you who pretend to be good enough with out God it should be you atheist who are put on front page news when your sins are known. we do not pretend to be better, by defination we have to admit we all fall short and need redemption!
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#15
RE: Church of England 'failed to protect children from sexual abusers'
If churches were full of people convinced that they couldn't possibly do better...that might explain why they're also full of sexual predators.

I'm good enough not to molest children. Seems to me like I can do better, even if you're convinced that you can't.
I am the Infantry. I am my country’s strength in war, her deterrent in peace. I am the heart of the fight… wherever, whenever. I carry America’s faith and honor against her enemies. I am the Queen of Battle. I am what my country expects me to be, the best trained Soldier in the world. In the race for victory, I am swift, determined, and courageous, armed with a fierce will to win. Never will I fail my country’s trust. Always I fight on…through the foe, to the objective, to triumph overall. If necessary, I will fight to my death. By my steadfast courage, I have won more than 200 years of freedom. I yield not to weakness, to hunger, to cowardice, to fatigue, to superior odds, For I am mentally tough, physically strong, and morally straight. I forsake not, my country, my mission, my comrades, my sacred duty. I am relentless. I am always there, now and forever. I AM THE INFANTRY! FOLLOW ME!
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#16
RE: Church of England 'failed to protect children from sexual abusers'
(October 7, 2020 at 3:59 pm)Drich Wrote:
(October 6, 2020 at 7:18 am)zebo-the-fat Wrote: Church of England 'failed to protect children from sexual abusers'

The Church of England failed to protect children from sexual abuse, and created a culture where abusers "could hide", a report has concluded.
The Independent Inquiry into Child Sex Abuse (IICSA)'s report says the Church's failure to respond consistently to victims and survivors of abuse often added to their trauma.
It added that alleged perpetrators were often given more support than victims.
The Church of England is expected to publish a response later.

The report, which is the latest in a series of publications from the IICSA, says 390 clergy members and other church leaders were convicted of abuse between the 1940s and 2018.

In 2018 there were 2,504 safeguarding concerns reported to dioceses about either children or vulnerable adults, and 449 allegations of recent child sexual abuse.
The inquiry said the Church of England was "in direct conflict with its own underlying moral purpose to provide care and love for the innocent and the vulnerable".
Its chair, Prof Alexis Jay, said: "Over many decades, the Church of England failed to protect children and young people from sexual abusers, instead facilitating a culture where perpetrators could hide and victims faced barriers to disclosure that many could not overcome.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-54433295



Is anyone surprised by this??

i hate stupid crap like this... where is the expectation that God protects all come from? certainly not the bible. we are told God did not spare his son from the evils of this world and as followers we should not expect to be treated any differently. retards... this world belongs to satan. if you oppose him like by going to church, he is at war with you. he will use everything in his power to get you to turn on the church and what little protection there is from the onslaught satan can levie. Not only that what moron in this day and age does not understand Christian make up the worst of the worst of soceity.. it is the weak and week willed that admit they are devastated sinners!!! None of this changes when you follow Christ we are still slaves to sin. we are simply forgiven. it is that honest way we look at ourselves with the humility to say i can not do better that forces people to the church. why is it even a thing when one or many of us fail? it is you who pretend to be good enough with out God it should be you atheist who are put on front page news when your sins are known. we do not pretend to be better, by defination we have to admit we all fall short and need redemption!

It’s nothing to do with God, so untwist your knickers. It’s about the C of E not only failing to protect children from abusers, but opting instead to protect the abusers themselves.

You consider exposing child abusers to the light of day to be ‘stupid crap’? Da fuq is wrong with you?

Boru
‘Let me never fall into the vulgar mistake of dreaming that I am persecuted whenever I am contradicted.’ Ralph Waldo Emerson
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#17
RE: Church of England 'failed to protect children from sexual abusers'
Drich's sense of "morality" has more to do with control and power via authority than anything else.

(October 7, 2020 at 3:59 pm)Drich Wrote: [snip] ... if you oppose him like by going to church, he is at war with you. he will use everything in his power to get you to turn on the church and what little protection there is from the onslaught satan can levie. ... [snip]
[quote-mining mine]

I have a hypothesis that Drich is actually a Loki troll (basically someone playing Devil's Advocate, an old term from TalkOrigins), in actuality an anti-theist, which is using sophistry, ad homs, ... and the whole rulebook in logical fallacies in tempering atheist rhetoric.

---

Are you really Christian, Drich? You're coming off quite strong, IMO.
"The first principle is that you must not fool yourself — and you are the easiest person to fool." - Richard P. Feynman
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#18
RE: Church of England 'failed to protect children from sexual abusers'
(October 7, 2020 at 3:59 pm)Drich Wrote:
(October 6, 2020 at 7:18 am)zebo-the-fat Wrote: Church of England 'failed to protect children from sexual abusers'

The Church of England failed to protect children from sexual abuse, and created a culture where abusers "could hide", a report has concluded.
The Independent Inquiry into Child Sex Abuse (IICSA)'s report says the Church's failure to respond consistently to victims and survivors of abuse often added to their trauma.
It added that alleged perpetrators were often given more support than victims.
The Church of England is expected to publish a response later.

The report, which is the latest in a series of publications from the IICSA, says 390 clergy members and other church leaders were convicted of abuse between the 1940s and 2018.

In 2018 there were 2,504 safeguarding concerns reported to dioceses about either children or vulnerable adults, and 449 allegations of recent child sexual abuse.
The inquiry said the Church of England was "in direct conflict with its own underlying moral purpose to provide care and love for the innocent and the vulnerable".
Its chair, Prof Alexis Jay, said: "Over many decades, the Church of England failed to protect children and young people from sexual abusers, instead facilitating a culture where perpetrators could hide and victims faced barriers to disclosure that many could not overcome.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-54433295



Is anyone surprised by this??

i hate stupid crap like this... where is the expectation that God protects all come from? certainly not the bible. we are told God did not spare his son from the evils of this world and as followers we should not expect to be treated any differently. retards... this world belongs to satan. if you oppose him like by going to church, he is at war with you. he will use everything in his power to get you to turn on the church and what little protection there is from the onslaught satan can levie. Not only that what moron in this day and age does not understand Christian make up the worst of the worst of soceity.. it is the weak and week willed that admit they are devastated sinners!!! None of this changes when you follow Christ we are still slaves to sin. we are simply forgiven. it is that honest way we look at ourselves with the humility to say i can not do better that forces people to the church. why is it even a thing when one or many of us fail? it is you who pretend to be good enough with out God it should be you atheist who are put on front page news when your sins are known. we do not pretend to be better, by defination we have to admit we all fall short and need redemption!


Where did I say I expected god to protect anyone?
I am pointing out that that the church if more interested in protecting it's pervert priests than in protecting children.

Try reading properly before you criticise.
The meek shall inherit the Earth, the rest of us will fly to the stars.

Never underestimate the power of very stupid people in large groups

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#19
RE: Church of England 'failed to protect children from sexual abusers'
(October 7, 2020 at 4:01 pm)The Grand Nudger Wrote: If churches were full of people convinced that they couldn't possibly do better...that might explain why they're also full of sexual predators.

I'm good enough not to molest children.  Seems to me like I can do better, even if you're convinced that you can't.

I cant speak from experience but i'm sure all sexual sin pretty much works the same way. sex is like a drug, and what ever your personal drug of choice is, once you become addicted to that flavor it has you. it would be no different if you were exposed to hertosexual sex at a younger age and had yourself a little girlfriend who was into it too. you can rationalize it you can not hardly control it. or if you could i'm sure as many homosexuals point out why would they openly chose a lifestyle that splits their families and ruins careers and lives. or the man who cheats on his wife.. when he has become addicted to the whole adventure of cheating or even the man addicted to porn.. it is all sexual sin, society just so happens to draw a line and forms a specific boundary around one specific sexual sin because most of us do not have or has to feed the addiction with under age peope. but in truth the sin is the same to god. That is why in the NT there is no difference between the word homosexuality and pedophile (why they are not specifically/separately identified) as they identified in the greater sexual sin.) So why I'm sure you and the rest of us have no issue with pedophilia those in the church see our sexual sin as being to God no different that our own sins of choice. After all we set the limits on sex in this society
 not God. God never says 18 before sex. so why should he care if to us it qualifies as pedophilia, when his standard demand a sanctified marriage.

(October 7, 2020 at 4:03 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote:
(October 7, 2020 at 3:59 pm)Drich Wrote: i hate stupid crap like this... where is the expectation that God protects all come from? certainly not the bible. we are told God did not spare his son from the evils of this world and as followers we should not expect to be treated any differently. retards... this world belongs to satan. if you oppose him like by going to church, he is at war with you. he will use everything in his power to get you to turn on the church and what little protection there is from the onslaught satan can levie. Not only that what moron in this day and age does not understand Christian make up the worst of the worst of soceity.. it is the weak and week willed that admit they are devastated sinners!!! None of this changes when you follow Christ we are still slaves to sin. we are simply forgiven. it is that honest way we look at ourselves with the humility to say i can not do better that forces people to the church. why is it even a thing when one or many of us fail? it is you who pretend to be good enough with out God it should be you atheist who are put on front page news when your sins are known. we do not pretend to be better, by defination we have to admit we all fall short and need redemption!

It’s nothing to do with God, so untwist your knickers. It’s about the C of E not only failing to protect children from abusers, but opting instead to protect the abusers themselves. look at the title of the thread! "Church of england fails to protect..." the church of england has no police force. it has no army, it has no series of checks and balances outside personal accountability to protect with.. 

You consider exposing child abusers to the light of day to be ‘stupid crap’? Da fuq is wrong with you?

Boru

so when an actor or some celbrity gets caught diddling some kid, does the screen actors guild have to make things right? do other actors get boy cotted or shat on by soceity for the actions of another man? can you not see this doubble standard with in the church?

(October 7, 2020 at 5:22 pm)Sal Wrote: Drich's sense of "morality" has more to do with control and power via authority than anything else.

(October 7, 2020 at 3:59 pm)Drich Wrote: [snip] ... if you oppose him like by going to church, he is at war with you. he will use everything in his power to get you to turn on the church and what little protection there is from the onslaught satan can levie. ... [snip]
[quote-mining mine]

I have a hypothesis that Drich is actually a Loki troll (basically someone playing Devil's Advocate, an old term from TalkOrigins), in actuality an anti-theist, which is using sophistry, ad homs, ... and the whole rulebook in logical fallacies in tempering atheist rhetoric.

---

Are you really Christian, Drich? You're coming off quite strong, IMO.

glob...

your an idiot..

maybe put my words back in context..

I said you belong to satan your body is his. God only offers protection to our souls. so while here you are satans slave to sin. so if you oppose satan... like if you were to goto church... satan will hate you and use everything in his power to bring you down, and break you of your faith. if this seems anti christian to you. you have no idea what the religion is about. I have personal read and studied the bible for over 25 years. spending 4 to 6 hours aday in study and answering your questions. while my specific doctrines do not follow the RC church (which is to be the bride of satan in the book of revelation) is a good thing!

(October 8, 2020 at 2:51 am)zebo-the-fat Wrote:
(October 7, 2020 at 3:59 pm)Drich Wrote: i hate stupid crap like this... where is the expectation that God protects all come from? certainly not the bible. we are told God did not spare his son from the evils of this world and as followers we should not expect to be treated any differently. retards... this world belongs to satan. if you oppose him like by going to church, he is at war with you. he will use everything in his power to get you to turn on the church and what little protection there is from the onslaught satan can levie. Not only that what moron in this day and age does not understand Christian make up the worst of the worst of soceity.. it is the weak and week willed that admit they are devastated sinners!!! None of this changes when you follow Christ we are still slaves to sin. we are simply forgiven. it is that honest way we look at ourselves with the humility to say i can not do better that forces people to the church. why is it even a thing when one or many of us fail? it is you who pretend to be good enough with out God it should be you atheist who are put on front page news when your sins are known. we do not pretend to be better, by defination we have to admit we all fall short and need redemption!


Where did I say I expected god to protect anyone?

the title you friggin idiot!!!

maybe you ought proof read the bullshite you post so you have some idea as to how someone might respond and not be surprised by someone confronting you on your own words!
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#20
RE: Church of England 'failed to protect children from sexual abusers'
(October 8, 2020 at 12:38 pm)Drich Wrote:
(October 7, 2020 at 4:01 pm)The Grand Nudger Wrote: If churches were full of people convinced that they couldn't possibly do better...that might explain why they're also full of sexual predators.

I'm good enough not to molest children.  Seems to me like I can do better, even if you're convinced that you can't.

I cant speak from experience but i'm sure all sexual sin pretty much works the same way. sex is like a drug, and what ever your personal drug of choice is, once you become addicted to that flavor it has you. it would be no different if you were exposed to hertosexual sex at a younger age and had yourself a little girlfriend who was into it too. you can rationalize it you can not hardly control it. or if you could i'm sure as many homosexuals point out why would they openly chose a lifestyle that splits their families and ruins careers and lives. or the man who cheats on his wife.. when he has become addicted to the whole adventure of cheating or even the man addicted to porn.. it is all sexual sin, society just so happens to draw a line and forms a specific boundary around one specific sexual sin because most of us do not have or has to feed the addiction with under age peope. but in truth the sin is the same to god. That is why in the NT there is no difference between the word homosexuality and pedophile (why they are not specifically/separately identified) as they identified in the greater sexual sin.) So why I'm sure you and the rest of us have no issue with pedophilia those in the church see our sexual sin as being to God no different that our own sins of choice. After all we set the limits on sex in this society
 not God. God never says 18 before sex. so why should he care if to us it qualifies as pedophilia, when his standard demand a sanctified marriage.

(October 7, 2020 at 4:03 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: It’s nothing to do with God, so untwist your knickers. It’s about the C of E not only failing to protect children from abusers, but opting instead to protect the abusers themselves. look at the title of the thread! "Church of england fails to protect..." the church of england has no police force. it has no army, it has no series of checks and balances outside personal accountability to protect with.. 

You consider exposing child abusers to the light of day to be ‘stupid crap’? Da fuq is wrong with you?

Boru

so when an actor or some celbrity gets caught diddling some kid, does the screen actors guild have to make things right? do other actors get boy cotted or shat on by soceity for the actions of another man? can you not see this doubble standard with in the church?

(October 7, 2020 at 5:22 pm)Sal Wrote: Drich's sense of "morality" has more to do with control and power via authority than anything else.

[quote-mining mine]

I have a hypothesis that Drich is actually a Loki troll (basically someone playing Devil's Advocate, an old term from TalkOrigins), in actuality an anti-theist, which is using sophistry, ad homs, ... and the whole rulebook in logical fallacies in tempering atheist rhetoric.

---

Are you really Christian, Drich? You're coming off quite strong, IMO.

glob...

your an idiot..

maybe put my words back in context..

I said you belong to satan your body is his. God only offers protection to our souls. so while here you are satans slave to sin. so if you oppose satan... like if you were to goto church... satan will hate you and use everything in his power to bring you down, and break you of your faith. if this seems anti christian to you. you have no idea what the religion is about. I have personal read and studied the bible for over 25 years. spending 4 to 6 hours aday in study and answering your questions. while my specific doctrines do not follow the RC church (which is to be the bride of satan in the book of revelation) is a good thing!

(October 8, 2020 at 2:51 am)zebo-the-fat Wrote: Where did I say I expected god to protect anyone?

the title you friggin idiot!!!

maybe you ought proof read the bullshite you post so you have some idea as to how someone might respond and not be surprised by someone confronting you on your own words!

The title mentions the church of England... no mention of any god. you friggin idiot!!!
The meek shall inherit the Earth, the rest of us will fly to the stars.

Never underestimate the power of very stupid people in large groups

Arguing with an engineer is like wrestling with a pig in mud ..... after a while you realise that the pig likes it!

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