God plays games

[The Grand Nudger]

Excellent, and since I don't belong to god, he can fuck right off.  That's how that works, right?

Non-sequitur alert

By all means, tell us how it does work.  

Drich says I don't belong to god.  I think that if god has no claim on me it can fuck right off.  What part of that do you think is a non-seq?

[runewell]

Non-sequitur alert

By all means, tell us how it does work.  

Drich says I don't belong to god.  I think that if god has no claim on me it can fuck right off.  What part of that do you think is a non-seq?

Belonging to God is equivalent to being a child of God.  Just because you are not a child of God, that doesn't preclude you from being subject to His judgment.  The bible says that the alternative is "Your father, the devil" but I seem to recall him losing his powers near the end of Revelations...  

You can deny him all you want, claim you were a good person under rules of your own making.  If He turns out to be real, there will still be hell to pay.

[The Architect Of Fate]

Belonging to God is equivalent to being a child of God. 

Well that's disturbing as children don't belong to anyone 

 Just because you are not a child of God, that doesn't preclude you from being subject to judgment.

This doesn't follow 

 The bible says that the alternative is "Your father, the devil" but I seem to recall him losing his powers near the end of Revelations...

Not being aligned with one sky tyrant does not mean your in league with another

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You can deny him all you want, claim you were a good person under rules of your own making. 

No one needs to claim he is a good person by any reasonable standard .And to deny something it first has to be demonstrated to exist in the first place

 If He turns out to be real, there will still be hell to pay.

If hell is real then god is a monster for punishing good people .

[The Grand Nudger]

By all means, tell us how it does work.  

Drich says I don't belong to god.  I think that if god has no claim on me it can fuck right off.  What part of that do you think is a non-seq?

Belonging to God is equivalent to being a child of God.  Just because you are not a child of God, that doesn't preclude you from being subject to His judgment.  The bible says that the alternative is "Your father, the devil" but I seem to recall him losing his powers near the end of Revelations...  

You can deny him all you want, claim you were a good person under rules of your own making.  If He turns out to be real, there will still be hell to pay.

That would be a point of doctrinal disagreement, not a non-seq.  

At any rate, there's no real need for me to deny your god, as I couldn't be a christian even if it existed.  If that means that this god is going to burn me (or whatever you prefer hell to be) then that's what's going to happen. Nothing about any of that changes my position on the matter.

[runewell]

The non-seq was also meant as a bit of humor, does B really follow from A the way you've phrased it.

> as I couldn't be a christian even if it existed
> If that means that this god is going to burn me (or whatever you prefer hell to be) then that's what's going to happen

What does that mean?

[The Grand Nudger]

Pretty straightforward. Assume that your god exists. Assume that it's going to punish me for not being a christian. Neither of these things compels me toward christianity. The first is irrelevant, and the latter is repulsive.

[Drich]

if you hear the literal voice of God how would you distinguish it from any one else? the only way we can be certain that it is God speaking is if what is said correlated with the bible.

This, without a doubt and beyond question, is the most STUNNINGLY perfect circular argument I've ever heard in my life.
Thanks, Drich.  I was having a rough morning, and I need that laugh. 
Boru

again.. if you heard the voice of God, how would you know it is god? any thing besides an appeal to an authoritative guidance to define who and what God is,  foolish speculation. because again how would you who knows nothing of God then be able to identify him?

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>A god that is capable of doing absolutely anything is speaking directly with you? Seriously?

Well, that would seem to be one reason for creating us

>If god knows how the atheist mind works, why is he only communicating with you?

You don't seem interested?

>Why isn't god doing what a god can do and inform everyone of his existence?

What would you know about being a god?  

>Because he doesn't fucking exist.

Who's making unprovable claims now?

So, an ineffable, perfect Being, created humans so he would have someone to talk to? Why?

Servants and family.

I can’t speak for other atheists, but I’d be extremely interested in talking to God.

again how would you know if you were? if god met you on your level, then how would yo be able to identify him if your understanding of God failed/IE lead you to atheism?

I know a lot about being a god. I’ve read everything Terry Pratchett ever wrote. 

Everyone makes unprovable claims, there’s no shame in it. 

Boru

just ask seek and knock

[The Grand Nudger]

That's a question you might more properly ask of yourself. Boru doesn't claim to hear a gods voice, you do.

If the voice you heard claimed to be ganesh, and was what you as a ganesh cultist expected to hear from ganesh, would you then be certain that the voice was from ganesh? Likely so, if the process you describe is how you certify the voices inside your head. As comical as it is falling from your lips, it's probably an accurate assessment of alot of peoples ideas about how to certify divine whatsits. This is the problem. All of you can be convinced by this process that you are right, but you can't all actually be right, and you could all be wrong.

Diving straight down the rabbit hole, if an atheist found themselves in the situation you pretend to be in, they'd likely end up coming up with any number of loony non-god explanations for the voices they hear. They could use this same process. In fact we do, demonstrably. The intensity and effect of a delusion is strongly correlated with the expectations of the person suffering it.

It's rare that a person who hears voices and gets visited by apparitions calmly and soberly decides that they have a problem.

[runewell]

Assume that it's going to punish me for not being a christian. 

Already people have taken issue with the label, so why don't we do away with it. 
The punishment will be for having sinned (for having rebelled against God and broken his commandments.)

[no one]

Modern humans roughly 200,000 years old.
Sin is roughly 2,000 years old.

I guess those that exist prior, just weren't special enough.