Philly Clusterphunky

[Irreligious Atheist]

He was not afraid of the police. 

The evidence says otherwise 

If you're afraid, you don't do something that's going to make it way more likely that you get shot. 

Fight or flight and a panicked mind does not make rational decisions 

He was clearly suicidal. 

That's not clear at all 

If he didn't think his life mattered, I don't see why anyone else should. Justified killing.

That's a incredibly stupid statement 

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When was dropping a knife eliminated as an option?

I'll admit that 14 shots is excessive.

When is the cops giving him a reason to believe they simply going to gun him down the moment he dropped it eliminated as an option?

Running at two cops with guns when you only have a knife takes balls. He was afraid of going to jail maybe. Not afraid of the cops. Big difference there.

If you want to say black lives matter, fine, but not when it's suicide and they're putting other people at risk of harm. Then that life doesn't matter. Not one bit. He got his wish. He avoided jail.

[brewer]

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When was dropping a knife eliminated as an option?

I'll admit that 14 shots is excessive.

When is the cops giving him a reason to believe they simply going to gun him down the moment he dropped it eliminated as an option?

How do you know that the cops gave him a reason to believe that? That to continue to hold the knife and advance on them was the safe option, ya know, vs dropping the knife?

That's a pretty silly retort.

[Brian37]

The evidence says otherwise 


Fight or flight and a panicked mind does not make rational decisions 



That's not clear at all 



That's a incredibly stupid statement 

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When is the cops giving him a reason to believe they simply going to gun him down the moment he dropped it eliminated as an option?

Running at two cops with guns when you only have a knife takes balls. He was afraid of going to jail maybe. Not afraid of the cops. Big difference there.

If you want to say black lives matter, fine, but not when it's suicide and they're putting other people at risk of harm. Then that life doesn't matter. Not one bit. He got his wish. He avoided jail.

If the suspect is running at you when you have 30 cops surrounding him, the cops he is running at can back off and run themselves, and as the suspect is distracted by that target, the cops behind him can taser him or hit him with rubber bullets. He still didn't have to die.

Again, there are plenty of videos online of cops taking down armed suspects, even those with guns, and don't kill them.

It is a matter of training. And having enough non lethal weapons, wide parameter and distance.

[Irreligious Atheist]

Running at two cops with guns when you only have a knife takes balls. He was afraid of going to jail maybe. Not afraid of the cops. Big difference there.

If you want to say black lives matter, fine, but not when it's suicide and they're putting other people at risk of harm. Then that life doesn't matter. Not one bit. He got his wish. He avoided jail.

If the suspect is running at you when you have 30 cops surrounding him, the cops he is running at can back off and run themselves, and as the suspect is distracted by that target, the cops behind him can taser him or hit him with rubber bullets. He still didn't have to die.

Again, there are plenty of videos online of cops taking down armed suspects, even those with guns, and don't kill them.

It is a matter of training. And having enough non lethal weapons, wide parameter and distance.

A taser might not do the job, and you can't just run away and give him the chance to take someone hostage or stab someone else. He lunged. He kept moving towards them. He didn't want to go to jail, and they granted his wish.

And the reason Dylan Roof and the theatre shooter are alive is because they surrendered. They cared about their lives enough to comply. This idiot didn't. Nothing to do with skin colour.

[The Architect Of Fate]

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When is the cops giving him a reason to believe they simply going to gun him down the moment he dropped it eliminated as an option?

How do you know that the cops gave him a reason to believe that? That to continue to hold the knife and advance on them was the safe option, ya know, vs dropping the knife?

That's a pretty silly retort.

I'm arguing from the fact of why should he trust the cops wouldn't? and they have in other instances. If either way he gets shot neither is the safer option if the result is you wind up dead. 

I disagree

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The evidence says otherwise 


Fight or flight and a panicked mind does not make rational decisions 



That's not clear at all 



That's a incredibly stupid statement 

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When is the cops giving him a reason to believe they simply going to gun him down the moment he dropped it eliminated as an option?

Running at two cops with guns when you only have a knife takes balls. He was afraid of going to jail maybe. Not afraid of the cops. Big difference there.

If you want to say black lives matter, fine, but not when it's suicide and they're putting other people at risk of harm. Then that life doesn't matter. Not one bit. He got his wish. He avoided jail.

No, it takes desperation so the rest doesn't follow 

Nothing to do with BLM every effort should be made to talk down a suicidal individual as they are reachable and their life still matters. But we have not even established he was suicidal so this point is moot.

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A taser might not do the job,

Should have been tried anyway 

 and you can't just run away and give him the chance to take someone hostage or stab someone else. 

No indication would have happened 

He lunged. He kept moving towards them. He didn't want to go to jail, and they granted his wish.

None of these conclusions are supported 

And the reason Dylan Roof and the theatre shooter are alive is that they surrendered. They cared about their lives enough to comply. This idiot didn't. Nothing to do with skin color.

This is all bull

[The Grand Nudger]

And whyizit - the people who say the cops should "de-escalate" - never wonder why the knife waver didn't offer the cops a donut instead?

Might be on account of how knife wielding loons don't work for us, and cops do.

[Silver]

Amateurs.

[brewer]

How do you know that the cops gave him a reason to believe that? That to continue to hold the knife and advance on them was the safe option, ya know, vs dropping the knife?

That's a pretty silly retort.

I'm arguing from the fact of why should he trust the cops wouldn't? and they have in other instances. If either way he gets shot neither is the safer option if the result is you wind up dead. 

I disagree

The odds are better with dropping the knife, or even better, not picking up the knife to begin with. I don't know all of the details but someone called to police for a reason. When the police arrived the reason appeared to be a guy threatening people with a knife, who refused to drop the knife.

Sometimes the responsibility/liability falls on the offender, including death.

[The Valkyrie]

Yet a white Trump supporter waved a gun in the face of some teenage girls after someone else threw water at him and the cops let him walk.

[Brian37]

Why is it the suspect didn't stab his mother to death when she tried to take the knife away from him? Because he wasn't afraid of civilians, he was afraid of cops.

He was not afraid of the police. If you're afraid, you don't do something that's going to make it way more likely that you get shot. He was clearly suicidal. If he didn't think his life mattered, I don't see why anyone else should. Justified killing.

Doesn't matter. If you feel you have nothing to lose, and you think police are going to kill you anyway you won't be thinking straight.

Here are some armed white people whom had more than knives that were not killed.

https://newsone.com/playlist/white-arres...by-police/