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How do christens justify child molestation?
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RE: How do christens justify child molestation?
(February 7, 2021 at 12:35 am)Mercyvessel Wrote:
(January 23, 2021 at 6:27 pm)AngryAtheist666 Wrote: If your an atheist you should know about all of the shit the catholic church has done to earn the label. My question is how do catholics justify it. I mean the must if there willing to protect members of the clergy from the authorities. Is there anything in there dogma that suggests its justified in the catholic faith. I know god chose to knock up a preteen with baby Jesus but that's pretty much all I know that would justify it in there eyes.

Links to evidence please.

To equate a true Christian (one whose key objective according to the Word of GOD is/should be to love his/her neighbor as  he/she loves him/herself) - to those (no personal judgment) who simply profess Christianity and to "catholics" is to err. 

Wicked practices of many sorts happen virtually everywhere in this world! The problem is the condition of the heart of the perp, whatever their occupational station (teacher, priest, etc) or gender!

Also, I would be remiss if I did not caution about insulting GOD in the attempt to compare hideous practices to a Divine event of such spiritually consequential magnitude (it wasn't for fun and games).  - (Matt 12:36).

Ultimately, every human being is individually accountable to The Creator! (2 Corinthians 5:10).

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You seem pretty quick on the draw for scripture to quote. Can you give me a date for when actual confession to a priest was instigated (not confessing with one's mouth, because that's not the same thing at all), and I guess I should ask for a date when xtians decided that there was actually a hell. I'll respond to your posts when you come back with those date. Bonus question- please tell me when the Catholic church started waffling on the hell issue.
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#22
RE: How do christens justify child molestation?
As someone who went to a Catholic high school, I think the waffling started sometime around Vatican Council II, and I suspect that the rise in the historical context underlying and accessibility thereof helped facilitate it. Let’s face it, the Catholic Church keeps trying to balance tradition with modern knowledge. And waffling around the issue of Hell is a perfect example: on the one hand, there’s centuries of tradition of a fiery Hell, a place where the worm dieth not and there may or may not be nine circles leading to the three mouths of Satan, which are constantly chewing up Judas, Cassius, and Brutus; but on the other, there’s a wealth of scholarship suggesting that there’s no real basis for that vision of Hell in the Bible, and that, when the Bible mentions Hell, it’s either talking about Sheol, which is basically the Jewish version of the Greek underworld, or Gehenna, a real place that may or may not have been Jerusalem’s garbage dump, but was definitely (at some point) treated like a purgatory in Rabbinic literature (one nobody stayed in for longer than 12 months.) Whether or not it was a supernatural fire, let’s face it, even the idea of God throwing you in a dumpster still retains its own power:





Although, given that we don’t know if toys can even actually die in the Toy Story universe, it might still harken back to the traditional idea more. Then again, neither version of Hell had THE CLAAAAAAAAW!
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RE: How do christens justify child molestation?
(February 7, 2021 at 12:35 am)Mercyvessel Wrote: To equate a true Christian (one whose key objective according to the Word of GOD is/should be to love his/her neighbor as  he/she loves him/herself) - to those (no personal judgment) who simply profess Christianity and to "catholics" is to err. 

Wicked practices of many sorts happen virtually everywhere in this world! The problem is the condition of the heart of the perp, whatever their occupational station (teacher, priest, etc) or gender!

Also, I would be remiss if I did not caution about insulting GOD in the attempt to compare hideous practices to a Divine event of such spiritually consequential magnitude (it wasn't for fun and games).  - (Matt 12:36).

Ultimately, every human being is individually accountable to The Creator! (2 Corinthians 5:10).

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True christian .......... Hilarious 

Nice threats, what a wonderful being you worship. Keep fighting for that golden ticket.
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RE: How do christens justify child molestation?
(February 7, 2021 at 8:00 am)brewer Wrote:
(February 7, 2021 at 12:35 am)Mercyvessel Wrote: To equate a true Christian (one whose key objective according to the Word of GOD is/should be to love his/her neighbor as  he/she loves him/herself) - to those (no personal judgment) who simply profess Christianity and to "catholics" is to err. 

Wicked practices of many sorts happen virtually everywhere in this world! The problem is the condition of the heart of the perp, whatever their occupational station (teacher, priest, etc) or gender!

Also, I would be remiss if I did not caution about insulting GOD in the attempt to compare hideous practices to a Divine event of such spiritually consequential magnitude (it wasn't for fun and games).  - (Matt 12:36).

Ultimately, every human being is individually accountable to The Creator! (2 Corinthians 5:10).

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True christian .......... Hilarious 

Nice threats, what a wonderful being you worship. Keep fighting for that golden ticket.

Actually, I shared all I did because I truly consider it objectively, very important - so I share in love (as I would at least share a few slices of bread from a loaf in my possession), not as a threat. You could take or leave it, but I would hope you'd consider the former... and yes indeed, The Lord JESUS, the CHRIST is truly Wonderful (Isaiah 9:6) ... it is written, and this has been my personal experience for years now.  

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RE: How do christens justify child molestation?
(February 7, 2021 at 12:34 pm)Mercyvessel Wrote:
(February 7, 2021 at 8:00 am)brewer Wrote: True christian .......... Hilarious 

Nice threats, what a wonderful being you worship. Keep fighting for that golden ticket.

Actually, I shared all I did because I truly consider it objectively, very important - so I share in love (as I would at least share a few slices of bread from a loaf in my possession), not as a threat. You could take or leave it, but I would hope you'd consider the former... and yes indeed, The Lord JESUS, the CHRIST is truly Wonderful (Isaiah 9:6) ... it is written, and this has been my personal experience for years now.  

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Have you actually seen this god yourself?
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RE: How do christens justify child molestation?
(February 7, 2021 at 12:56 am)Fireball Wrote:
(February 7, 2021 at 12:35 am)Mercyvessel Wrote: To equate a true Christian (one whose key objective according to the Word of GOD is/should be to love his/her neighbor as  he/she loves him/herself) - to those (no personal judgment) who simply profess Christianity and to "catholics" is to err. 

Wicked practices of many sorts happen virtually everywhere in this world! The problem is the condition of the heart of the perp, whatever their occupational station (teacher, priest, etc) or gender!

Also, I would be remiss if I did not caution about insulting GOD in the attempt to compare hideous practices to a Divine event of such spiritually consequential magnitude (it wasn't for fun and games).  - (Matt 12:36).

Ultimately, every human being is individually accountable to The Creator! (2 Corinthians 5:10).

V

You seem pretty quick on the draw for scripture to quote. Can you give me a date for when actual confession to a priest was instigated (not confessing with one's mouth, because that's not the same thing at all), and I guess I should ask for a date when xtians decided that there was actually a hell. I'll respond to your posts when you come back with those date. Bonus question- please tell me when the Catholic church started waffling on the hell issue.

I am quick to do so because I have come to know and believe at least three invaluable things - that "all Scripture is given by inspiration of GOD" - 2 Tim 3:16, that "prophecy never came by the will of man, but holy men of God spoke as they were moved by the Holy Spirit." - 2 Peter 1:21, and just as important, "Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word of God." - Luke 4:4 

I am not qualified to comment on "a date for when actual confession to a priest was instigated" or "Catholic church started waffling on the hell issue."

However, GOD Himself (and not Christians), reveals the existence of hell in the first several books of the Holy Bible through His prophets (Job 11:8, Job 17:16, Job 26:6 & Deuteronomy 32:22), in approx. 6th & 7th BCE, respectively. 

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RE: How do christens justify child molestation?
Studies have shown that when you write in all caps it is more true.
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RE: How do christens justify child molestation?
(February 7, 2021 at 12:52 pm)Angrboda Wrote:
(February 7, 2021 at 12:34 pm)Mercyvessel Wrote: Actually, I shared all I did because I truly consider it objectively, very important - so I share in love (as I would at least share a few slices of bread from a loaf in my possession), not as a threat. You could take or leave it, but I would hope you'd consider the former... and yes indeed, The Lord JESUS, the CHRIST is truly Wonderful (Isaiah 9:6) ... it is written, and this has been my personal experience for years now.  

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Have you actually seen this god yourself?

I have seen many things, and by His mercies, remain here to tell 'em.  Facts - GOD manifests Himself in many irrefutable ways, subjectively and objectively - but know that he is the "King eternal, immortal, invisible" GOD and "For since the creation of the world His invisible attributes are clearly seen..."

GOD declares Himself Spirit, and those who worship Him do so in spirit and truth, and without faith it is impossible to please him because one coming to GOD in prayer must do so believe that He is and is a rewarder of those who diligently seek Him. (sources, should you care to search - John 4:24, Hebrews 11:6)

I can't help but recall the response the Lord JESUS, the CHRIST had when one of His Apostles (Thomas) didn't believe that He had risen from the grave and had met with the other Apostles eight days prior - despite being told repeatedly all that would happen. On finally seeing JESUS in the flesh, and being asked to examine and reach into the wounds in His hands and side from His crucifixion, Thomas said "My Lord and my God" - to which JESUS responded, "Thomas, because you have seen Me, you have believed. Blessed are those who have not seen and yet have believed.” - John 20:29

What more could I say? Evidences exist, but faith is imperative! 

(February 7, 2021 at 1:59 pm)Rhizomorph13 Wrote: Studies have shown that when you write in all caps it is more true.

What's wrong with writing in caps when the intent in so doing is non-malicious?  The intent here is to show reverence to/respect for the GOD that ought to be feared, the Almighty.
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RE: How do christens justify child molestation?
(February 7, 2021 at 2:21 pm)Mercyvessel Wrote:
(February 7, 2021 at 1:59 pm)Rhizomorph13 Wrote: Studies have shown that when you write in all caps it is more true.

What's wrong with writing in caps when the intent in so doing is non-malicious?  The intent here is to show reverence to/respect for the GOD that ought to be feared, the Almighty.

It is just one of those annoying things Christians do to underscore their beliefs. Whatever the intent, to me, the effect is to prompt an eyeroll. It is just douchy as fuck! Like writing in comic sans; also a douchy move.

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RE: How do christens justify child molestation?
(February 7, 2021 at 2:21 pm)Mercyvessel Wrote:
(February 7, 2021 at 12:52 pm)Angrboda Wrote: Have you actually seen this god yourself?

I have seen many things, and by His mercies, remain here to tell 'em.  Facts - GOD manifests Himself in many irrefutable ways, subjectively and objectively - but know that he is the "King eternal, immortal, invisible" GOD and "For since the creation of the world His invisible attributes are clearly seen..."

GOD declares Himself Spirit, and those who worship Him do so in spirit and truth, and without faith it is impossible to please him because one coming to GOD in prayer must do so believe that He is and is a rewarder of those who diligently seek Him. (sources, should you care to search - John 4:24, Hebrews 11:6)

I can't help but recall the response the Lord JESUS, the CHRIST had when one of His Apostles (Thomas) didn't believe that He had risen from the grave and had met with the other Apostles eight days prior - despite being told repeatedly all that would happen. On finally seeing JESUS in the flesh, and being asked to examine and reach into the wounds in His hands and side from His crucifixion, Thomas said "My Lord and my God" - to which JESUS responded, "Thomas, because you have seen Me, you have believed. Blessed are those who have not seen and yet have believed.” - John 20:29

What more could I say? Evidences exist, but faith is imperative! 


All you know are stories, testimony and abstractions. There is not actual concrete evidence in your post.

A god can't be argued into existence. The only thing that you are arguing is a god "concept". A thing made by the minds of humans.
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