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How do christens justify child molestation?
#41
RE: How do christens justify child molestation?
(February 7, 2021 at 1:51 pm)Mercyvessel Wrote: However, GOD Himself (and not Christians), reveals the existence of hell in the first several books of the Holy Bible through His prophets (Job 11:8, Job 17:16, Job 26:6 & Deuteronomy 32:22), in approx. 6th & 7th BCE, respectively.

If someone doesn't believe in your god, they have no reason to believe that your god wrote or inspired anything, either. Personally, I am unconvinced by the Bible. I see it as mythology, and not particularly entertaining mythology either.

Therefore, regarding threats of hellfire, I put 100% responsibility on the person uttering the threat. That's you, Mercyvessel. You don't get to decide whether it's a threat or not; that's for the recipient to decide.
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#42
RE: How do christens justify child molestation?
(February 8, 2021 at 1:42 am)Astreja Wrote:
(February 7, 2021 at 1:51 pm)Mercyvessel Wrote: However, GOD Himself (and not Christians), reveals the existence of hell in the first several books of the Holy Bible through His prophets (Job 11:8, Job 17:16, Job 26:6 & Deuteronomy 32:22), in approx. 6th & 7th BCE, respectively.

If someone doesn't believe in your god, they have no reason to believe that your god wrote or inspired anything, either.  Personally, I am unconvinced by the Bible.  I see it as mythology, and not particularly entertaining mythology either.

Therefore, regarding threats of hellfire, I put 100% responsibility on the person uttering the threat.  That's you, Mercyvessel.  You don't get to decide whether it's a threat or not; that's for the recipient to decide.

Technically either a threat exists or it does not, no matter how anyone feels about it. Objectively there are only two positions on a proposition p or !p. We should trust the evidence, and in the case of Mercy's claim, we have none.
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#43
RE: How do christens justify child molestation?
(February 7, 2021 at 2:21 pm)Mercyvessel Wrote:
(February 7, 2021 at 1:59 pm)Rhizomorph13 Wrote: Studies have shown that when you write in all caps it is more true.

What's wrong with writing in caps when the intent in so doing is non-malicious?  The intent here is to show reverence to/respect for the GOD that ought to be feared, the Almighty.

Pro-tip for 'speaking' in text: all caps is considered shouting, not respect. Capitalizing God and pronouns associated with Him is plenty to show reverence/respect. Alternatively, one may write G-d; to show you respect God too much to say G-d, even in print. When you write GOD, what people tend to hear it as in their head as they read as someone unexpectedly shouting 'God!!!' or at least overemphasizing the word.
I'm not anti-Christian. I'm anti-stupid.
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#44
RE: How do christens justify child molestation?
(February 8, 2021 at 11:04 am)Rhizomorph13 Wrote: Technically either a threat exists or it does not, no matter how anyone feels about it. Objectively there are only two positions on a proposition p or !p. We should trust the evidence, and in the case of Mercy's claim, we have none.

Even if the threat itself is ludicrous, making such a threat is IMO a form of verbal and psychological abuse. When someone plays the hell card in a religious discussion, it tells me two things about them:
  • They willingly worship an evil god that allows people to be tortured for a infinite period of time, in an utter travesty of justice.
  • They don't understand that Pascal's Wager-style lip-service belief is not religious faith, or they don't actually care - they're more interested in coercing a public show of consensus via argumentum ad baculum.
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#45
RE: How do christens justify child molestation?
(January 23, 2021 at 6:27 pm)AngryAtheist666 Wrote: If your an atheist you should know about all of the shit the catholic church has done to earn the label. My question is how do catholics justify it. I mean the must if there willing to protect members of the clergy from the authorities. Is there anything in there dogma that suggests its justified in the catholic faith. I know god chose to knock up a preteen with baby Jesus but that's pretty much all I know that would justify it in there eyes.

Links to evidence please.

What are those "christens"?
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#46
RE: How do christens justify child molestation?
They fuck with more kids minds than they literally diddle, and that, right there, is what justifies the faithfuls stance on the issue. It's basically written off as the cost of business, and they think the business is good. It's the business they wish to protect - because it sells divine pardons, which they want very much, and believe a witchdoctor is required to provide.

It's really not that hard to understand, imo.
I am the Infantry. I am my country’s strength in war, her deterrent in peace. I am the heart of the fight… wherever, whenever. I carry America’s faith and honor against her enemies. I am the Queen of Battle. I am what my country expects me to be, the best trained Soldier in the world. In the race for victory, I am swift, determined, and courageous, armed with a fierce will to win. Never will I fail my country’s trust. Always I fight on…through the foe, to the objective, to triumph overall. If necessary, I will fight to my death. By my steadfast courage, I have won more than 200 years of freedom. I yield not to weakness, to hunger, to cowardice, to fatigue, to superior odds, For I am mentally tough, physically strong, and morally straight. I forsake not, my country, my mission, my comrades, my sacred duty. I am relentless. I am always there, now and forever. I AM THE INFANTRY! FOLLOW ME!
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#47
RE: How do christens justify child molestation?
(February 14, 2021 at 10:14 am)The Grand Nudger Wrote: They fuck with more kids minds than they literally diddle, and that, right there, is what justifies the faithfuls stance on the issue.  It's basically written off as the cost of business, and they think the business is good.  It's the business they wish to protect - because it sells divine pardons, which they want very much, and believe a witchdoctor is required to provide.

It's really not that hard to understand, imo.

Sounds about right - they need "salesmen" in the churches in order to keep the business going from one generation to the next, and a lot of those people are bad actors who either became intoxicated by the power they hold over the flock, or sought that power deliberately.

Any time the church attempts to discipline one of the abusers, it weakens the church's authority (and therefore their business model and the revenue stream) by revealing that they don't have a hotline to a loving, caring, all-knowing deity with the ability to warn them about bad clergy.
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#48
RE: How do christens justify child molestation?
I wouldn't say that it shows a catholic anything that they didn't already know, honestly.

They see the spells and rituals as an essential service, and if we want to understand why a mass of generally decent people can seem to punt on this (as opposed to institutions, fundamentally self preserving) then the explanation is going to lie somewhere other than a cynical ploy to defraud them. If we found out that there was a large number of sex offenders working in civil infrastructure - we'd be unlikely to perceive that failure as the failure of sewers. We would still want sewers. We recently found out that entertainment was full of offenders. We memory holed the offenders but we didn't slow down on the hypersexualization and ephebophilia that may have drawn so many in and may have contributed the precarious environment.

They're already sold on the product...and they likely already have their own personal complaints with the company. They can also see that the spell and ritual providers are involved in other aims and causes which might be essential services to an even broader community than just the people who think that shaking a rattle at ghosts will cure their soul sickness.
I am the Infantry. I am my country’s strength in war, her deterrent in peace. I am the heart of the fight… wherever, whenever. I carry America’s faith and honor against her enemies. I am the Queen of Battle. I am what my country expects me to be, the best trained Soldier in the world. In the race for victory, I am swift, determined, and courageous, armed with a fierce will to win. Never will I fail my country’s trust. Always I fight on…through the foe, to the objective, to triumph overall. If necessary, I will fight to my death. By my steadfast courage, I have won more than 200 years of freedom. I yield not to weakness, to hunger, to cowardice, to fatigue, to superior odds, For I am mentally tough, physically strong, and morally straight. I forsake not, my country, my mission, my comrades, my sacred duty. I am relentless. I am always there, now and forever. I AM THE INFANTRY! FOLLOW ME!
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