Top 10 Reasons Why Jesus is Not God

[Mystical]

I read the edits sillyhead. You're still wrong in your assertion that I'm a fluke perversion of your religion.
Hey we get along great, but you're wrong. And cluckie is insulting, still. And childish as well.

[Esquilax]

Hey bud hows it going.

C kept saying above how she chose to prevent herself from feeling good because she obviously didn't deserve it. "Others were more deserving in God's eyes" - WHAT?! How did she know that? Because her life was so bad, God was "obviously punishing her". She (the morons telling her what to think) perverted something good into something vile.

People tend to impose their own stuff onto their religion, I agree. And the thing is, they are all convinced that their views are the perfect, divinely inspired ones; it's part of the reason I'm an atheist.

Well you're getting a bit Victorian on me there. Hell Fire was the fashion.

Well, it's also kind of in the bible. Lake of fire and all that; again, it's down to the stuff you choose to believe, but when it's in the official handbook I as an outsider tend to take it a little more seriously than the individual view. Though I do praise you for having less mean spirited beliefs than some.

I think you didn't read my edits above, which kind of make your post look redundant now. And there was me thinking us guys (you, me and Esq) got along just fine!

Hey, I got nothing against you, specifically! Luckie might, but she can fight her own battles. She's coming from a very different childhood and personal experience, after all. Your rationalization sort of smacks of No True Scotsman to me, but in the end we both agree that the kinds of things Luckie was taught and believed were fucked up, so it's all good. I don't really care how we arrived at that conclusion, just so long as neither of us supports that demonstrably harmful doctrine.

[downbeatplumb]

I don't believe any human can heal the sick, or raise the dead, without divine assitance.

Those hospitals are just a waste of space aren't they!

[fr0d0]

it's part of the reason I'm an atheist.

It's the reason I'm a free thinker.

I win

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I read the edits sillyhead. You're still wrong in your assertion that I'm a fluke perversion of your religion.

I don't say you're a fluke. I know there to be all sorts of perversions. Yours shocks me is all. I believe what you're saying and that is seriously f'd up. No one in their right mind wouldn't think so.

Hey we get along great, but you're wrong. And cluckie is insulting, still. And childish as well.

Ok ok!!!

Damn girl you gotta punish us guys so bad!! :'(

[Mystical]

Punishment and correction are two very different things, write that down Also I'd encourage you to revisit the last post of that thread link I gave you. Then think about what the ideal christian that your pastor would tell you about. Is it not someone who gives everything they have, mind body and materialistically to the lord? Arent there Christian missionaries that do the same thing only more radically than my family? Gods influence dictated my movements and dominated my thoughts and my outlook on the world. but isnt that what youre taught to do at church? I'd say yeah, my family had healthy boundaries issues and my dad is not well so our experiences were escalated as was our need for god for the mere fact that we were fighting his mental illness with prayers. Which is also what would be advised at your church, no? obviously they would recommend counseling. My parents went to christian counselors who told them that they were plagued by a family curse and encouraged my parents to exorcise it from their lives through prayer and that that was the reason for the marital discourse. thing is, this isnt limited to my parents experience, these are the beliefs of many devout christians. Just because you arent one of them doesnt make them or you less christian does it?

[fr0d0]

*writes it down*

Ideal Christian? Never ever heard that said. No I've never heard it made important to give up everything. In all of the churches I've been to, that's a special calling from God. You get it or you don't No pressure certainly. A few people get that call and are assisted by the church, who vet the candidates sincerity, to take it further.

You mention yourself.. but what you've said about yourself is sick. I can't condone that at all. You might have to explain that more.

No, the churches I knew had some commonsense. Practical, real medicine is part of real help for people. In no way ever is the craziness of denial of solid scientific assistance with health promoted. People who think prayer replaces the medical profession should be locked away. NEVER would the promotion of prayer > medicine be promoted. That's blasphemy.

If you do something anti Christ, that sure as hell puts you in the non Christian camp for me.

[Godscreated]

@ missluckie26 and Esquilax, I apologize for upsetting both of you, that was never my intention, nor was I being holier than thou or anything else you believed I was being. I was trying to point out what the Bible teaches about being a Christian, I've yet to read where a person is to only rely on prayer for medical needs. I would never suggest a person refuse the help of qualified doctors, I believe God has given them talents to do good for mankind. When my dad's life was coming to an end, I asked God to heal him if it was within His will and if not, not to let him suffer in pain and take him so he would not have to suffer. Before you go over board, that is exactly what he wanted, even though I knew that it was not easy to pray for his death, I did it with him in mind and heart, the last thing I wanted to do is go against the will of dad or God. When Dad took at bad turn and we knew the end was coming we took him to the hospital so the doctors could give him the pain medicine that would make him comfortable. We used the things God had provided to help. He past away late on a Friday night and Sunday morning I and my wife were in church grieving our loss and worshiping God and if you had been there that morning you would have seen God at work. This is a story that began thirty years prior, lots of times we thought he would die lots of trips to the hospital and doctors, I thought when he died I would get a call saying he was gone, nope God allowed us time together at the end. Enough on that I wanted to show that God gave us doctors for a reason.
I know the scripture teach that Christians will suffer, but I do not know where it says that we are to inflict suffering on ourselves. God promises to provide for us when we give of ourselves, so when one keeps giving and giving and never see God work and provide, then we should be asking what's wrong, are we outside of God's will, have we misinterpreted His word, God being omniscient can't be the one who is wrong. Missluckie, I'm curious as to what denomination you belonged to.
I'm a deacon and giving is a expected thing to do and I do, I also see God working and providing in my life, if I didn't I would have to question what I was do wrong. At the risk of have you two go off again I'm going to say this, being baptized will not bring salvation it's not even a requirement for salvation, if it were that would be doing a work for salvation and the NT teaches against that. Giving your life to Christ by accepting Him as the Son of God and savior is the only requirement. Until this is done all else is futile, why, because you are doing it on your own. Spiritual work must originate with a spiritual being, ( a being that's spirit, as God describes Himself ) we like to think of ourselves as spiritual when in reality without God we are just flesh trying to get through life, if any of this is upsetting to you I'm sorry, I'm telling this as I see what God through scripture teaches.
I also would like to say I was trying to understand you plight, and said I couldn't even imagine what you suffered. Trying to insult you was the farthest thing from my mind. I do not take medicine for any physical reasons, my physical problem has no solution by the hands or knowledge of doctors it will continue to get worse until I die, though it's not in itself life threatening it could be possibly debilitating. I can not remember all you two said, if there is anything else let me know, and I truly wish both of you the best in your future.

[Mystical]

I think I'm going to reply to the person I was talking to in the first place, as he's been neglected from a response in place of replies to your idiocies.

You know, it sounds like you've had it pretty rough. That is alot for one person to have to endure. I haven't had to deal with the pain and anguish of physical disease and chemotherapy. For me growing up, it was sort of like a bad b movie, if you know what I mean. The first thing was violence. The constant violence and anger that I was subjected to as a young child made lasting impressions, and that generational sin turned me into a very angry individaul. Then, I found out what porn was! Bleh! And then my parents told me why they rolled up their dollar bills so tightly... Shortly after I learned how to roll a joint. That night I couldn't sleep for hours because my body wouldn't stop vibrating! When I was 12, my parents thought it was a good idea to let me have some R&R whiskey! 7 shots to a my tiny body was hell. But beer wasn't so bad... I learned that stealing isn't that hard, if you know how to act. When I was 15, I would try to go out into the farms where I lived to see if I could find shrooms under cow dung! One time I was so desperate to quench my cleptomanic thirst that I stole a mini-cooler full of pepsi out of an astro van! Silly I know. So when I met my wife, I was living at a flop house with 10 other teenagers. We all lived on ramen noodles, suffice it to say no one was over weight. When I met her, I was living there, with a meth lab in the garage, addicted to pain relievers, alcohol, and marijuana. Oh and lets not forget duster! I survived just to get high. Not kidding. We did nothing but hurt others and hurt ourselves. I was a worthless P.O.S. Good for nothing but stealing and hurting. I was 17 years old. My favorite thing to listen to was Twizted, ICP, Tech N9NE, KMK, ABK, and all of that bullshit. I had two best friends, one was a psychopath, the other was a passive, I was inbetween in my thinking, actions, and outbursts of anger. I met my wife 2 years after I went out on my own. We fell in love the moment we met, and have been in love since. Not that there weren't huge gaping chasms filled with crap since we married in 2008 when we were still 17. I feel horrible for the things I have done to her, and she feels that way for the things she has done to me. We were both physically and verbally abusive to one another, and to any who had a problem. Again I say, I was a P.O.S. But since last april, when I found God, or maybe He found me, my life has completely changed. God said I couldn't be a child anymore, or I would lose everything, which was the next logical step in the chain of events that I was following at the time. I can't describe how happy I am now, and how happy my wife is as well. We've been married nearly 5 years, and this last year has been the best of all of them. God fulfilled His promises to me and mine, and has since then shown me more than I need to see to believe in Him. My grandmother, for one, with no medical hope and no other option at the time, was miraculously cured of Hep. C after our entire family prayed for a couple of weeks. No liver transplantation required, it simply disappeared. In any case, I am sorry to hear that you had to go through all of those things. But I can say this for certain, nothing, absolutely nothing in my life changed until I completely and totally gave my life to Jesus Christ and began to live by His word.

It sounds like you have had a hard life, too. Esquilax did, too. He's never had god to lean on, and yet he's the best man in this world you could possibly find. He's overcome his past without all those hardships you've endured--and he didn't even know god existed.
I'm very happy you found the self-discovery needed to identify that life requires certain amounts of maturity out of us in order to prosper and thrive. You could've done that without god too, by the way. Imagine you without god now. The world won't end, I can tell you that. And you'll still be the same person you were before your enlightenment. You wouldn't just revert to being a POS because you have decidedly decided not to act like a child now, right? You already know that your marriage depends upon your maturity. You've figured out that the life you lead in the past was not good for you. These self-recognition's are not bound to religion, they're bound to you and your self consciousness. The fact that there are actual life-truths in the bible does not make it any more a word of god than it would make holy a psychology book, or the Qua ran, or the daily horoscope whose information is based upon time-tested observations.

[fr0d0]

Is all very good to rely upon yourself. The trick is to get it right. Horoscopes are an example of misguidance. A trap easily fallen into by the uninformed. Better to be informed, and accept wisdom as guidance. You are not an island. You can use the wealth of knowledge available to you.

[Mystical]

Agreed, absolutely.

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oh and for tomorrow when I reply fr0d0, can you please explain what it is my parents and I did that was anti-christ, thus non christian?