Open to explore possibility

[BrianSoddingBoru4]

@Klorophyll

Pascal's wager is .... Pascal's idea, not any religion's. And I think I was misunderstood, I am not defending Pascal's wager here, I am reminding OP how stupid it is to give up belief in God because the religion he grew up with turned out to be a pile of crap. It's a dishonest move to do so, and once one is dishonest, Pascal's reasoning is actually valid: you're risking an infinite loss for being dishonest toward the god question.

I think it’s adorable that you claim you’re not defending Pascal’s Wager and then proceed to defend it.

You’re a cuddle puppy, you are.

Boru

[R00tKiT]

I think it’s adorable that you claim you’re not defending Pascal’s Wager and then proceed to defend it.

You’re a cuddle puppy, you are.

Boru

That's because you don't understand Pascal's wager to begin with. Pascal's argument doesn't require honesty. According to the wager, one should force themselves to believe in God even if they have arguments against this belief. And by doing so, they'll hedge themselves against an infinite loss if the religious narrative turns out to be true.

The wager in this form is invalid of course because God is omniscient, and therefore aware of this manoeuvre. If one dismisses belief in God dishonestly and/or without carefully assessing it, then they are in this case really exposed to an infinite loss. God can justly punish them for being careless towards an existential question. It's like hearing breaking news about a possible hurricane coming to your neighborhood and simply continue doing your mundane tasks as if you heard nothing.

[arewethereyet]

I think it’s adorable that you claim you’re not defending Pascal’s Wager and then proceed to defend it.

You’re a cuddle puppy, you are.

Boru

That's because you don't understand Pascal's wager to begin with. Pascal's argument doesn't require honesty. According to the wager, one should force themselves to believe in God even if they have arguments against this belief. And by doing so, they'll hedge themselves against an infinite loss if the religious narrative turns out to be true.

The wager in this form is invalid of course because God is omniscient, and therefore aware of this manoeuvre. If one dismisses  belief in God dishonestly and/or without carefully assessing it, then they are in this case really exposed to an infinite loss. God can justly punish them for being careless towards an existential question. It's like hearing breaking news about a possible hurricane coming to your neighborhood and simply continue doing your mundane tasks as if you heard nothing.

Bold mine- neither do any of yours.

[Aegon]

I think it’s adorable that you claim you’re not defending Pascal’s Wager and then proceed to defend it.

You’re a cuddle puppy, you are.

Boru

That's because you don't understand Pascal's wager to begin with. Pascal's argument doesn't require honesty. According to the wager, one should force themselves to believe in God even if they have arguments against this belief. And by doing so, they'll hedge themselves against an infinite loss if the religious narrative turns out to be true.

The wager in this form is invalid of course because God is omniscient, and therefore aware of this manoeuvre. If one dismisses  belief in God dishonestly and/or without carefully assessing it, then they are in this case really exposed to an infinite loss. God can justly punish them for being careless towards an existential question. It's like hearing breaking news about a possible hurricane coming to your neighborhood and simply continue doing your mundane tasks as if you heard nothing.

And allowing belief in a personal deity to run your life is like living in a constant state of hurricane prep despite living in Kansas.

[The Grand Nudger]

Would you care o give an example of an honest way to dismiss your silly religion, in your estimation?

Why are you asking a Muslim if they found an honest way to dismiss Islam ? There obviously isn't any, from my perspective. 

There's no way to honestly dismiss your silly religion, and you insist that people go to hell for dishonestly dismissing your silly religion?

And as I said repeatedly, religions - Islam, at least- don't say nonreligious people will be punished because they are nonreligious, but because they dishonestly dismissed some religion. This is an important nuance, you and OP should try to take some time to understand it.

Which one of these assholes has it right?

If you're going to make it your business to casually threaten strangers, you should put more thought into your excuses.

[R00tKiT]

There's no way to honestly dismiss your silly religion, and you insist that people go to hell for dishonestly dismissing your silly religion? 

There is no way to honestly dismiss a true proposition, do you disagree? I think the articles of Islamic faith are a true proposition, and therefore cannot be dismissed or disproved.

I am not insisting that anybody goes to hell. I am just pointing out to OP his numerous misunderstandings of the content of religious belief.

[The Grand Nudger]

Right, because, in addition to this being a world where an almighty djinn will punish everyone who laughs at your ineptitude...it's also a world where your own silly comments aren't posted on a board for anyone to read.

That's just a true proposition. You tell me, any way to honestly dismiss it?

[Angrboda]

I think it’s adorable that you claim you’re not defending Pascal’s Wager and then proceed to defend it.

You’re a cuddle puppy, you are.

Boru

That's because you don't understand Pascal's wager to begin with. Pascal's argument doesn't require honesty. According to the wager, one should force themselves to believe in God even if they have arguments against this belief. And by doing so, they'll hedge themselves against an infinite loss if the religious narrative turns out to be true.

The wager in this form is invalid of course because God is omniscient, and therefore aware of this manoeuvre. If one dismisses  belief in God dishonestly and/or without carefully assessing it, then they are in this case really exposed to an infinite loss. God can justly punish them for being careless towards an existential question. It's like hearing breaking news about a possible hurricane coming to your neighborhood and simply continue doing your mundane tasks as if you heard nothing.

[Astreja]

If one dismisses  belief in God dishonestly and/or without carefully assessing it, then they are in this case really exposed to an infinite loss.

In my case, belief in gods -- any gods -- has been a non-starter my whole life. It just doesn't feel real to me, so much so that I can't even pretend to believe. This is what honesty looks like in my life, and this is a facet of belief versus non-belief that you should seriously consider.

[The Grand Nudger]

If we apply Kloros rule of honesty...then that means you're a liar, or islam is not a true proposition. Easy bet. Womp womp.