[split] Wacky Iraq-ee

[azharrison]

Where's the lie?

Perhaps in there actually having been no "Weapons of Mass Destruction"? Also, it is senseless to go to war out of anger or concern for the world at large... you will notice we don't attack north korea (which actually does have "weapons of mass destruction"). We attacked Iraq for oil, and not necessarily for the government. Anything less is a blatant lie.

He had WMD's, he used them on the Iranian troops and on his own people, the Kurds! They found warehouses with chemical delivery shells & protective clothing... I wouldn't call that a "LIE"

As for Iran & North Korea: I guess we are Damned if we do/Damned if we don't. After Unanamous approval by the UN to invade Iraq, and 92% approval to invade by our own congress, overwhelming public support, and giving Saddam countless opportunities to comply, we invaded. 2 years later, the myopic congress and public lost their stomach for the war. With all the unsubstantiated accusations of conspiracy and cover-up,etc ... If I were Bush, I would have said FUCKIT about Iraq and Korea to! Let the next guy figure it out...

So, lets see how goldenboy is gonna handle the VERY serious problems we have with Mexico, Terrorist cells, Iran and Korea.

[Violet]

He had WMD's, he used them on the Iranian troops and on his own people, the Kurds! They found warehouses with chemical delivery shells & protective clothing... I wouldn't call that a "LIE"

He used weapons on his own people, sure. Ones of "mass destruction"? No.

Chemical weapons don't cause destruction on the level of a nuclear bomb. Not even remotely similar.

As for Iran & North Korea: I guess we are Damned if we do/Damned if we don't. After Unanamous approval by the UN to invade Iraq, and 92% approval to invade by our own congress, overwhelming public support, and giving Saddam countless opportunities to comply, we invaded. 2 years later, the myopic congress and public lost their stomach for the war. With all the unsubstantiated accusations of conspiracy and cover-up,etc ... If I were Bush, I would have said FUCKIT about Iraq and Korea to! Let the next guy figure it out...

Why would we though? North Korea has.... "?", and Iran is not so dissimilar.

I frankly do not believe the pretense that the US was acting out of good will, any more than I would believe it of the treaties they tried to make over the land in china about a century ago.

So, lets see how goldenboy is gonna handle the VERY serious problems we have with Mexico, Terrorist cells, Iran and Korea.

Mexico is a threat worth dealing with, because it immediately borders us. Even with nukes, I honestly don't believe North Korea or Iran pose serious threats to us (that is to say, America). Let Europe and asian powers fucking deal with them.

[Minimalist]

Where's the lie?

Where is the lie? The lie is he did not have WMDs. He had them when we gave them to him to use against Iran. Which he did. But produce them himself? Nope. Just total fabrication from the Bush propaganda machine and their lackeys at FOX.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/feb...ements-wmd

The former US defence secretary, Donald Rumsfeld, admits in his memoirs that he made a mistake in claiming that Saddam Hussein had weapons of mass destruction sites round Baghdad and Tikrit, one of the main justifications for launching the Iraq invasion.

Oops. Shit happens.

http://motherjones.com/mojo/2008/02/un-d...told-world

Colin Powell presented the case against Iraq to the UN Security Council five years ago today, on February 5, 2003.

As much criticism as Powell has received for this—he calls it "painful" and something that will "always be a part of my record"—it hasn't been close to what's justified. Powell was far more than just horribly mistaken: the evidence is conclusive that he fabricated evidence and ignored repeated warnings that what he was saying was false.

Oops. More shit happens.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-11680239

But Mr Bush admits that he was shocked when no weapons of mass destruction were found in Iraq.

"No one was more shocked and angry than I was when we didn't find the weapons," he writes.

"I had a sickening feeling every time I thought about it. I still do."

Oops. Looks like shit keeps happening to shitheads.


Before you sprain a shoulder waving the flag you might consider this news article...from today.

http://apnews.excite.com/article/2011030...C3E01.html

The Marines who arrived in Sangin district of Helmand province in October have seen the kind of tragedy and combat stress that few can imagine - more than 30 deaths and 175 wounded, with scores losing arms and legs when they stepped on bombs.

The 3rd Battalion, 5th Marine Regiment and smaller Marine units attached to it are fighting to regain this key insurgent stronghold in one of the country's bloodiest regions.

At least 288 NATO service members were killed in Helmand province in 2010. Last year was the deadliest of the nine-year Afghan war for the international forces, with 701 killed.

Many of the Marines in Sangin say they are coping by blocking out the horrors they have seen. Psychiatrists say that behavior is normal during combat, but it could trigger post-traumatic stress disorder when the Marines go home next month.

It's real easy to stick a little magnet on your car and walk around with "Support Our Troops" on your lips but these poor bastards are getting their balls blown off for what? So that one group of criminal drug dealers is "in" and another is "out." We cannot put a company of marines in every 3'd world shithole. They have far more shitholes than we have marines.[/quote]

[downbeatplumb]

I knew a member of the territorial army bomb disposal unit who was shot and killed in Afghanistan last October.
I knew him from his day job and am friends with his widow who also works where I do.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-hampshire-11809127