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I'm a Universalist - Can anyone convince me of 'Eternal Damnationism'?
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RE: I'm a Universalist - Can anyone convince me of 'Eternal Damnationism'?
I find universalists easy to get along with, usually. They pick their cherries to make their God out to be less of a bastard, I get that.
I'm not anti-Christian. I'm anti-stupid.
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RE: I'm a Universalist - Can anyone convince me of 'Eternal Damnationism'?
(February 17, 2021 at 11:00 am)Mister Agenda Wrote: I find universalists easy to get along with, usually. They pick their cherries to make their God out to be less of a bastard, I get that.

When I was a member of the Connecticut Chapter of American Atheist we had a member who belonged to the Universalist/Unitarian Church. He claimed that over half the church member were actually atheists who were Unitarians so they could socialize on Sundays.
"The world is my country; all of humanity are my brethren; and to do good deeds is my religion." (Thomas Paine)
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RE: I'm a Universalist - Can anyone convince me of 'Eternal Damnationism'?
(February 17, 2021 at 11:23 am)Gwaithmir Wrote: When I was a member of the Connecticut Chapter of American Atheist we had a member who belonged to the Universalist/Unitarian Church. He claimed that over half the church member were actually atheists who were Unitarians so they could socialize on Sundays.

Yes and No.  Yes, half of UUs are atheists.  No, they don't just go to church to socialize (though that is part of any church).

I am an atheist UU.  I find value in debating and learning about various religions.  By understanding why I reject their claims of ultimate truth, I can get a better understanding of my own beliefs.

The idea behind UU is that the shared life journey is more important than beliefs.  Questions that are honestly tackled are more important than easy religious answers.
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RE: I'm a Universalist - Can anyone convince me of 'Eternal Damnationism'?
Eternal damnation is what you get when you annoy a woman enough that she responds, "I'm fine!"
Dying to live, living to die.
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RE: I'm a Universalist - Can anyone convince me of 'Eternal Damnationism'?
(February 17, 2021 at 12:14 pm)HappySkeptic Wrote:
(February 17, 2021 at 11:23 am)Gwaithmir Wrote: When I was a member of the Connecticut Chapter of American Atheist we had a member who belonged to the Universalist/Unitarian Church. He claimed that over half the church member were actually atheists who were Unitarians so they could socialize on Sundays.

Yes and No.  Yes, half of UUs are atheists.  No, they don't just go to church to socialize (though that is part of any church).

I am an atheist UU.  I find value in debating and learning about various religions.  By understanding why I reject their claims of ultimate truth, I can get a better understanding of my own beliefs.

The idea behind UU is that the shared life journey is more important than beliefs.  Questions that are honestly tackled are more important than easy religious answers.

That makes sense.  Logic
"The world is my country; all of humanity are my brethren; and to do good deeds is my religion." (Thomas Paine)
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RE: I'm a Universalist - Can anyone convince me of 'Eternal Damnationism'?
My attendance had fallen off considerably at the local UU even before Covid, I liked our atheist pastor's sermons but he moved on to a bigger UU in Pennsylvania. I still showed up for lunch with my UU friends after and I still maintain my membership, primarily for the use of their rooms for meetings of the Freethought Society of the Midlands (FSM); currently on plague hiatus.
I'm not anti-Christian. I'm anti-stupid.
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RE: I'm a Universalist - Can anyone convince me of 'Eternal Damnationism'?
(February 16, 2021 at 4:47 pm)The Kreisel Wrote: Start by trying to neutralize or marginalize Romans 11:36 - 
"For out of him and through him and to him are ALL THINGS"

This is just one simple cherry from my Cherry Orchar
If the bible is true then we are all screwed (no exceptions - as the bible supports Calvinism and Arminianism, being a Jew and not being a Jew, being a Gentile and not being a Gentile, works-based salvation and nonworks based salvation, being circumcised or not being circumcised and the list goes on ). If it is not, then enjoy your life - unless Joseph Smith really did have special glasses and gold plates.
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