Flat Earther, and other conspiracy theories. Are they mostly atheists?

[Jehanne]

Yeah, okay.

Enjoy your life of mind control by something or other.

Though I think your take on free will is BS, I think you meant "it happens subconsciously" not "it happens unconsciously".  Either way I don't buy this latest hill you are willing to die on.

Free will doesn't exist, and that is something that we all, without exception, agree upon!  To give one of countless examples, Alzheimer's patients are not "choosing" to forget the names of their grandchildren (or, the fact, that they have grandchildren.)

[arewethereyet]

Yeah, okay.

Enjoy your life of mind control by something or other.

Though I think your take on free will is BS, I think you meant "it happens subconsciously" not "it happens unconsciously".  Either way I don't buy this latest hill you are willing to die on.

Free will doesn't exist, and that is something that we all, without exception, agree upon!  To give one of countless examples, Alzheimer's patients are not "choosing" to forget the names of their grandchildren (or, the fact, that they have grandchildren.)

How about don't speak for everyone.

[Angrboda]

I suspect free will doesn't exist, but like a naturalist before Darwin, I don't burn any bridges.

[Gawdzilla Sama]

Free will doesn't exist, and that is something that we all, without exception, agree upon! 

I disagree.

[Ferrocyanide]

Well, where do anti-science claims usually come from if not religion? Six-day creation, deluge, flat earth, angels and demons, faith healing are all conspiracies that stem from holy books like Bible and Koran.

Good point.
I have seen a few flat earthers claim that math is meaningless when I use mathematics to show them why the Earth is spheroid.
They are into qualitative descriptions rather than quantitative.
They also repeat yee old mantra: it's just a theory.
Their mathematics education is very week.

One of them told me that mathematics can be used to show anything. He gave me this example:
If you have 5 apples and 5 apples, then 5 * 5 = 25. Do you have 25 apples?


I told him the result is not 25 apples. It is 25 apples^2.
In the reality that we live in, there is no such thing as apples^2, kelvin^2, gram^5, second^11.
However, meter^2 does exist.

--Ferrocyanide

[Gawdzilla Sama]

The only thing that will change a flatter's mind is a long stay in a coffin.

[BrianSoddingBoru4]

Well, where do anti-science claims usually come from if not religion? Six-day creation, deluge, flat earth, angels and demons, faith healing are all conspiracies that stem from holy books like Bible and Koran.

Good point.
I have seen a few flat earthers claim that math is meaningless when I use mathematics to show them why the Earth is spheroid.
They are into qualitative descriptions rather than quantitative.
They also repeat yee old mantra: it's just a theory.
Their mathematics education is very week.

One of them told me that mathematics can be used to show anything. He gave me this example:
If you have 5 apples and 5 apples, then 5 * 5 = 25. Do you have 25 apples?


I told him the result is not 25 apples. It is 25 apples^2.
In the reality that we live in, there is no such thing as apples^2, kelvin^2, gram^5, second^11.
However, meter^2 does exist.

--Ferrocyanide

I flatter myself that I’m a reasonably bright fellow, but I can’t follow your maths. If I have five apples and five apples, I have ten apples, not 25 (and certainly not 625).

Could you please explain why meters can be expressed exponentially, but not apples, degrees Kelvin, grams or seconds?

Boru

[Ferrocyanide]

To an extent, sure, but to be fair, people believe in a lot of really stupid stuff. 30 percent of Americans believe in astrology. The majority of Americans believe in free will. An overwhelming majority of Americans believe in God, a man in the sky. They're not all mentally ill.

So you think free will is a myth?  Who is controlling you?

I would say our biochemistry is controlling us.
In fact, there is no us.
We are not separate from the chemicals/molecules/atoms that make us.
If you think you can exist without those chemicals, then please, throw them in the trash. What do you need those chemicals for?

You are essentially claiming that music can exist without any atoms, without any photons or any other particles.
Music can only exist on paper, CD, cassette tapes, VHS, vibrations in some medium. Without atoms, it can’t exist.
The same can be said about languages, color, names, software (Windows XP), mathematics, ideas, stories, fashion and other designs, anything that is information.

[arewethereyet]

So you think free will is a myth?  Who is controlling you?

I would say our biochemistry is controlling us.
In fact, there is no us.
We are not separate from the chemicals/molecules/atoms that make us.
If you think you can exist without those chemicals, then please, throw them in the trash. What do you need those chemicals for?

You are essentially claiming that music can exist without any atoms, without any photons or any other particles.
Music can only exist on paper, CD, cassette tapes, VHS, vibrations in some medium. Without atoms, it can’t exist.
The same can be said about languages, color, names, software (Windows XP), mathematics, ideas, stories, fashion and other designs, anything that is information.

Where exactly did I make those "claims"?

And what are you babbling about?

[Ferrocyanide]

I flatter myself that I’m a reasonably bright fellow, but I can’t follow your maths. If I have five apples and five apples, I have ten apples, not 25 (and certainly not 625).

Could you please explain why meters can be expressed exponentially, but not apples, degrees Kelvin, grams or seconds?

Boru

Yes, you have 10 apples. What did I say that is different?
I also posted what the flat earther told me. Maybe you want to discuss the 25 and 625 with him.

For your question:
In the real world, a meter is a measure of distance. m^2 is a measure of area. m^3 is a measure of volume.
What's apples^2 in the real world?
What's kelvin^2 in the real world?
What's g^2 in the real world?
What's s^2 in the real world?

--Ferrocyanide