Prophecy doesn't make sense

[BrianSoddingBoru4]

A climatologist is not the same as a meteorologist. The person on your local news who talks about ‘scattered thunderstorms’ or a hurricane’s chance of landfall is not a climatologist.

Boru

McFly, there is still a huge difference between science and looking out the window and guessing.

They are also not basing it on chicken bones, like Voodoo dice.

Biff, who said there wasn’t a difference? Meteorology and climatology are both sciences, but they have different foci, just like a biochemist and a biophysicist study different things.

It amuses me that you, with all the whinging you do about having been bullied in school, opt to cast yourself as the bully.

Boru

[Brian37]

McFly, there is still a huge difference between science and looking out the window and guessing.

They are also not basing it on chicken bones, like Voodoo dice.

Biff, who said there wasn’t a difference? Meteorology and climatology are both sciences, but they have different foci, just like a biochemist and a biophysicist study different things.

It amuses me that you, with all the whinging you do about having been bullied in school, opt to cast yourself as the bully.

Boru

A proctologist and neurologist are both involved in science.  A meteorologist and climatologists are no different. If you are going to ask me to trust either a meteorologist or climatologist over a psychic? Yes they are different, but they are not basing their findings on chicken bones or cracked mirrors.

[arewethereyet]

Biff, who said there wasn’t a difference? Meteorology and climatology are both sciences, but they have different foci, just like a biochemist and a biophysicist study different things.

It amuses me that you, with all the whinging you do about having been bullied in school, opt to cast yourself as the bully.

Boru

A proctologist and neurologist are both involved in science.  A meteorologist and climatologists are no different. If you are going to ask me to trust either a meteorologist or climatologist over a psychic? Yes they are different, but they are not basing their findings on chicken bones or cracked mirrors.

Next time you need a doctor book an appointment with a proctologist so he can pull your head out of your ass.

[arewethereyet]

I was thinking about the nature of prophesies today and it occurred to me that tying something that happens to something someone said previously and trying to hold that up as supernatural, doesn't actually make sense.

I thought about putting a caveat on that, like, "Well, if it's super specific..." but no, that falls prey to the same flaw as regular, vague/ poetic prophecy does.

A prophecy is "you have told me how this will happen." You have given me directions to follow. If I want to fulfill a prophecy, I could(or likewise, anyone else who comes along with the intent to do so). The fact that I do so, doesn't mean you actually predicted the future. And isn't that poisoning your control group if you tell people a prophecy? There's no way after that to determine if the future was predicted or some one did something to fulfill it deliberately. 

The only way you could know a prophecy was real and true is to blind fold the prophecy speaker, take them to an unfamiliar place, and keeping them blindfolded, they predict things happening mere seconds before they do. 

Or, you predict a bunch of stuff, write it all down, but don't tell anyone, then lock the prophesies in a box with the date you locked it written inside. It would have to be untouched until after the prophesies were fulfilled and you'd need to prove without a doubt no one heard them before, after, or during the locking it in a box. Then you could open it and see all these super specific things and dates that were predicted before they happened. But proving a prophecy IS a prophecy and not just directions in a scam, is a very unhelpful magic trick at that point.

I see the prophecies as sort of like horoscopes.  Most are vague enough that you can make them fit with enough mental gymnastics.

[BrianSoddingBoru4]

Biff, who said there wasn’t a difference? Meteorology and climatology are both sciences, but they have different foci, just like a biochemist and a biophysicist study different things.

It amuses me that you, with all the whinging you do about having been bullied in school, opt to cast yourself as the bully.

Boru

A proctologist and neurologist are both involved in science.  A meteorologist and climatologists are no different. If you are going to ask me to trust either a meteorologist or climatologist over a psychic? Yes they are different, but they are not basing their findings on chicken bones or cracked mirrors.

Slow down, bully boy. No one's asking you to take the word of a psychic over that of a scientist. I'm just trying to make sure you understand that - irrespective of what you said earlier - a climatologist is not your local weatherperson.

Boru

[onlinebiker]

They invented prophets to make weathermen look legit by comparison....

I really hate this shit. Climatologists are accurate. There is a reason they say "scattered" with thunder and snow storms and a reason they talk about "cones" with hurricanes. Because what happens to you personally does not mean that it will affect the entire viewing area they are covering. 

I live in a huge county. I get this all the time. The weather person says "scattered" and  I take it as just that.

Humourless sot.

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If you ever got a joke your head would explode..

[arewethereyet]

I really hate this shit. Climatologists are accurate. There is a reason they say "scattered" with thunder and snow storms and a reason they talk about "cones" with hurricanes. Because what happens to you personally does not mean that it will affect the entire viewing area they are covering. 

I live in a huge county. I get this all the time. The weather person says "scattered" and  I take it as just that.

Humourless sot.

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If you ever got a joke your head would explode..

That would be a sight since it's always up his ass.

[Angrboda]

I prophecy this thread will not solve world hunger. Praise Jesus!

[The Grand Nudger]

I see the prophecies as sort of like horoscopes.  Most are vague enough that you can make them fit with enough mental gymnastics.

That wouldn't have been required in their own time.  When a prophet said that god will strike down a country unless they shape up immediately, they needed only point in the direction of troops massed on two borders.  Tragedy was immanent. This behavior would persist and continue all throughout christendom (and time) to this very day.

It's certainly the case that people treat them as horoscopes, today, but that has more to do with those people who believe that the words are magic than it does with what the prophecies referred to.

[Foxaèr]

Take the instance of the prophecy of Jesus' birth. It was prophesied in the OT, apparently. Considering that the NT was written afterwards, it's really simple to create the Jesus character to match what was already written would happen.

Biblical prophecy is nothing more than that. A farce.